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Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 07 Jul 2015 21:50
by vinylkim
thanks copperhead, i have a rubber mat from an old toshiba turntable and along with the felt one it makes tonearm level........apart from the thickness shim thing etc....is cork better than rubber for dampening motor sound?

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 07 Jul 2015 22:26
by Copperhead
vinylkim wrote:thanks copperhead, i have a rubber mat from an old toshiba turntable and along with the felt one it makes tonearm level........apart from the thickness shim thing etc....is cork better than rubber for dampening motor sound?
Is the motor really that noisy or have you read others mention this? I am sure cork will be fine. with regards to rubber mats, there are quite a few types with various thicknesses and compositions. If you are willing and able, why not experiment with shims, cork ,felt or a combination.

I am sure you will enjoy experimenting, this is one of the beauties of owning a turntable. When it comes to turntables, you will get one hundred different opinions from a hundred owners. Pretty subjective.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 08 Jul 2015 11:50
by vinylkim
I agree with you copperhead yes the VTA adjustments should at least work with supplied cartridge. thanks for info about the cork mat.
Here is MY reply to the above e mail from Audio Technica - "thanks for your reply....but i'am not happy with you excusing away a fault as a design constraint.....surely if the turntable has a height adjusting mechanism.....that it should be able to go low enough to have the tone arm level with the supplied cartridge (AT95E). By saying this design constraint is found in most turntables of this price range is not true. This turntable has great reviews all over the internet and in my research before i bought it no one .......repeat no one mentioned the fact that the tone arm had height adjustment build constraints. Now that you have admitted this so called design constraint.....why is this not mentioned on your website?....just so others would know of this so called design constraint.
Because adjusting the tonearm height is a fairly basic feature of most basic turntables (around this price) and as i said i never heard anyone mentioning this (but maybe i missed it somewhere). Have you ever thought that this constraint may just be my turntable not properly QCd."

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 08 Jul 2015 11:56
by vinylkim
Audio Technica has just replied to my above e mail.......here is what they say--"We are aware that the minimum tone-arm height setting on the LP120 when used with the AT95e will not be completely parallel to the platter/record – the minimum height should be used and this is correct for the AT95e – the slight angle will not impact the sound of the cartridge, nor will it with most moving-magnet cartridges – which is why it is not mentioned on the website. It is not necessary for the tone-arm to be completely parallel for play-back until you get to very high-end moving coil Hi-Fi cartridges, which this turntable is not aimed at.
Sorry, I did not explain myself fully when I said it was a design constraint found in most turntables – this is the case with most DJ turntables with S-shapes tone arms around this price point (designs based around the 1210).
If you are concerned we would advise returning the turntable for our engineers to inspect, however I believe that what you’ve described is within specification of the turntable.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 08 Jul 2015 14:19
by Copperhead
vinylkim wrote:I agree with you copperhead yes the VTA adjustments should at least work with supplied cartridge. thanks for info about the cork mat.
Here is MY reply to the above e mail from Audio Technica - "thanks for your reply....but i'am not happy with you excusing away a fault as a design constraint.....surely if the turntable has a height adjusting mechanism.....that it should be able to go low enough to have the tone arm level with the supplied cartridge (AT95E). By saying this design constraint is found in most turntables of this price range is not true. This turntable has great reviews all over the internet and in my research before i bought it no one .......repeat no one mentioned the fact that the tone arm had height adjustment build constraints. Now that you have admitted this so called design constraint.....why is this not mentioned on your website?....just so others would know of this so called design constraint.
Because adjusting the tonearm height is a fairly basic feature of most basic turntables (around this price) and as i said i never heard anyone mentioning this (but maybe i missed it somewhere). Have you ever thought that this constraint may just be my turntable not properly QCd."
Hello,

Well, the reply is just as expected. The whole VTA issue is a bit contentious!
With a thicker mat your VTA will be nearly bang on, I suggest you enjoy the turntable and not get into protracted arguments with AT, which will taint your whole experience.

If they are willing to refund, and this is what you would like, then go for it. On the other hand, if you have read good reviews for the AT, then just make your own cork mat or buy another which is at least 3mm thick.
I dare say that the cork would be an improvement to the stock mat anyway, AT have obviously
not gone all out to ensure all the components complement each other, so you can do that!

I am sorry, I have never owned an AT, so I cannot comment on its performance. You have obviously read positive comments about it, set it up and start enjoying it.
Little mods like a new mat are standard fare with turntable ownership, it's part of the charm of owning one.

Make sure the cartridge is properly aligned, you can download a protractor from the tools section on this forum, and at least you will know this has been done properly. Also important is that the arm is properly balanced and the deck sited on something solid and level.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 08 Jul 2015 15:52
by vinylkim
thanks copperhead for the reply.......looking at cork mats now seems a good idea and also help the level tone arm

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 08 Jul 2015 16:11
by Copperhead
vinylkim wrote:thanks copperhead for the reply.......looking at cork mats now seems a good idea and also help the level tone arm
Your welcome. Now you can concentrate on buying some records.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 08 Jul 2015 21:36
by trev57
Does it sound noticibly better with the tonearm level or just the same as it did before it was level,you hav'nt yet said.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 17 Jan 2017 22:14
by Boltman92124
vinylkim wrote:Hi everyone, just new here......I recently bought an Audio Technica AT-LP120-USB turntable. I was setting up the tone arm height so that the arm is level to the surface of the record......but at lowest setting the arm is still not level.......would it be a good idea to use 2 platter mats so that tome arm would be level.......the mat that comes with the turntable is a felt one.....but i have a heavier rubber mat from an old turntable.......my question is would the extra weight of the rubber and felt mat be too mush for the motor?
I know this is an old question but I have the LP120. The arms were designed like the old Technics 1200 with a 6.5mm thick rubber mat. The new felt mat is only 2mm, thus the VTA issue. I have used a second cork mat under the original felt mat to bring it up to about 4.5mm. I also used a spacer in the headshell. I also use the AT618 record weight, which is made by AT and is quite heavy. With all of this, the motor works just fine and my VTA is pretty close to perfect.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 30 May 2019 19:31
by treperry
""We are aware that the minimum tone-arm height setting on the LP120 when used with the AT95e will not be completely parallel to the platter/record – the minimum height should be used and this is correct for the AT95e – the slight angle will not impact the sound of the cartridge, nor will it with most moving-magnet cartridges – which is why it is not mentioned on the website. It is not necessary for the tone-arm to be completely parallel for play-back until you get to very high-end moving coil Hi-Fi cartridges, which this turntable is not aimed at."

That's BS. There are MM cartridges that have fine line cut stylus and SRA matters.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 30 May 2019 19:57
by lenjack
What it comes down to, is that this is not a high quality turntable. It only masquerades as one.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 30 May 2019 22:08
by Boltman92124
treperry wrote:
30 May 2019 19:31
""We are aware that the minimum tone-arm height setting on the LP120 when used with the AT95e will not be completely parallel to the platter/record – the minimum height should be used and this is correct for the AT95e – the slight angle will not impact the sound of the cartridge, nor will it with most moving-magnet cartridges – which is why it is not mentioned on the website. It is not necessary for the tone-arm to be completely parallel for play-back until you get to very high-end moving coil Hi-Fi cartridges, which this turntable is not aimed at."

That's BS. There are MM cartridges that have fine line cut stylus and SRA matters.
Such an easy fix too. Just get the thick platter mat. I use the 3/16" cork mat with the 2mm Technics rubber on top(see profile pic). Perfect VTA and enough spindle to accommodate the record weight and 180g LP. Turntable Toys mats on Amazon. Good quality and cheap with selection of thickness. And I use a Denon DL103 with outboard MC phono. Terrific sounding on this TT.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 03 Jun 2019 14:11
by Rumburak
Boltman92124 wrote:
17 Jan 2017 22:14
vinylkim wrote:Hi everyone, just new here......I recently bought an Audio Technica AT-LP120-USB turntable. I was setting up the tone arm height so that the arm is level to the surface of the record......but at lowest setting the arm is still not level.......would it be a good idea to use 2 platter mats so that tome arm would be level.......the mat that comes with the turntable is a felt one.....but i have a heavier rubber mat from an old turntable.......my question is would the extra weight of the rubber and felt mat be too mush for the motor?
I know this is an old question but I have the LP120. The arms were designed like the old Technics 1200 with a 6.5mm thick rubber mat. The new felt mat is only 2mm, thus the VTA issue. I have used a second cork mat under the original felt mat to bring it up to about 4.5mm. I also used a spacer in the headshell. I also use the AT618 record weight, which is made by AT and is quite heavy. With all of this, the motor works just fine and my VTA is pretty close to perfect.
No no right is Technics 1200 with a 6 mm thick rubber mat I have 4 + 2 thick rubber mat and VTA is right on my AT LP120USB

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 03 Jun 2019 15:30
by Boltman92124
Rumburak wrote:
03 Jun 2019 14:11
Boltman92124 wrote:
17 Jan 2017 22:14
vinylkim wrote:Hi everyone, just new here......I recently bought an Audio Technica AT-LP120-USB turntable. I was setting up the tone arm height so that the arm is level to the surface of the record......but at lowest setting the arm is still not level.......would it be a good idea to use 2 platter mats so that tome arm would be level.......the mat that comes with the turntable is a felt one.....but i have a heavier rubber mat from an old turntable.......my question is would the extra weight of the rubber and felt mat be too mush for the motor?
I know this is an old question but I have the LP120. The arms were designed like the old Technics 1200 with a 6.5mm thick rubber mat. The new felt mat is only 2mm, thus the VTA issue. I have used a second cork mat under the original felt mat to bring it up to about 4.5mm. I also used a spacer in the headshell. I also use the AT618 record weight, which is made by AT and is quite heavy. With all of this, the motor works just fine and my VTA is pretty close to perfect.
No no right is Technics 1200 with a 6 mm thick rubber mat I have 4 + 2 thick rubber mat and VTA is right on my AT LP120USB
Right. Since then I switched to a 4mm+ cork with the Technics 2mm rubber mat which you can still buy. So around 6mm plus a little.

Re: Tonearm too high

Posted: 15 Oct 2019 04:21
by Rog Beltmann
All AT-LP120 turntables have this problem. That's probably why AT eliminated the adjustable tone arm height adjustment on the 120X. It's always too high even with the arm set to zero. I cut a thick rubber mat .168 inches thick which i purchased at Menards. With the stock felt mat on top of the rubber mat the height is perfect and the tonearm is parallel with the playing surface. Same problem with the Crosley C200A. One piece of rubber is big enough to cut two mats. Under $3.00 plus your time.