Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

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Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 19 Dec 2018 16:23

Hello,

I'm brand new to the LP club and looking for some assistance. Just yesterday I had my Audio-Technica LP120 and Edifier R1280 speakers delivered. I was so excited to set everything up and get started. I followed all the proper instructions. Set the LP120 to "Line" and hooked the RCA cables from the player to the active speakers. There is very little volume coming from the speakers. I'm not exaggerating, I live in an apartment, so I'm not looking for crazy loud performance. I tested the bluetooth setting to make sure there wasn't an issue with the speakers, and the bluetooth setting worked fine and got loud. Have I done something wrong? Are these speakers not compatible with this player? I did a fair bit of research prior to purchasing both items, and did not come across this issue anywhere.

Please send help

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by andybeau » 19 Dec 2018 16:56

If the active speakers don't have a phono pre amp you need to select it on the LP120. So try switching from line on the LP120. Hope that helps.

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by bernard1 » 19 Dec 2018 17:07

AT-LP120 has 150mV signal output on line and Edifier R1280DB has 450 mV input sensitivity on line 1 (550 mV on line 2). Could this explain what you encounter ?

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 19 Dec 2018 17:11

Thank you, I’ll try this, but from everything I’ve read, with this combo I should have it on “Line” because the player has a pre amp and the speakers are active so the have a built in amp. But I’ll try it when I get home from work.

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andybeau wrote:
19 Dec 2018 16:56
If the active speakers don't have a phono pre amp you need to select it on the LP120. So try switching from line on the LP120. Hope that helps.

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 19 Dec 2018 17:14

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19 Dec 2018 17:04
Technically, your setup should work. However, it is possible that though the line out is working, it is not producing enough output to give you "high" volumes. If it also sounds really "thin" (very little bass and way too trebly) it means that either it is still in phono mode, or the pre-amp is not being engaged when you set it to line.

If it's just quiet, it means the output is just too low for your speakers' internal pre-amp. That could also indicate a defect, but this actually happens sometimes. The speakers' internal pre-amp just needs more kick than the turntable is producing.

BTW, I own that turntable (it's one of three I own) and I like it a LOT. I use the USB to connect to my computer or the rca set to line into a mixer for my PA at live events.
Thanks for your help. So, am I able to use a different pre amp between player and speakers even know this set up should technically work? I’m a drummer, so I’m sure I have musician friends who have pre amps that I could borrow and try out before investing in my own.

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 19 Dec 2018 17:19

bernard1 wrote:
19 Dec 2018 17:07
AT-LP120 has 150mV signal output on line and Edifier R1280DB has 450 mV input sensitivity on line 1 (550 mV on line 2). Could this explain what you encounter ?
Ha! I have no idea. I’ll try to do some more research and see. I was so disappointed last night when I put on my new Herbie Hancock Headhunters album which is one of my favorites.

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 19 Dec 2018 17:32

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19 Dec 2018 17:23
Thor_Beats wrote:
19 Dec 2018 17:14

Thanks for your help. So, am I able to use a different pre amp between player and speakers even know this set up should technically work? I’m a drummer, so I’m sure I have musician friends who have pre amps that I could borrow and try out before investing in my own.
It can be as cheap as this ($15): https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Phono-Turnt ... rds=preamp

2v output at 10kohms.

I run mine into a mixing board so for me it's not an issue. The mixing board IS the pre-amp.
I notice when I looked at the link that theres a ground wire that needs to be connected? I don't believe theres a separate ground coming out of the player. Is that going to be an issue?

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Blonded » 19 Dec 2018 19:42

Please update us. I wanted to hook those speakers to my LP60

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 19 Dec 2018 22:37

Blonded wrote:
19 Dec 2018 19:42
Please update us. I wanted to hook those speakers to my LP60
I’ll do that. I’ve seen ads for the LP60 with these speakers, so I assume that’ll work for that setup. Not sure what the issue is with the 120, but I’m gonna figure it out!

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by bernard1 » 19 Dec 2018 23:20

Thor_Beats wrote:
19 Dec 2018 16:23
I tested the bluetooth setting to make sure there wasn't an issue with the speakers, and the bluetooth setting worked fine and got loud.
Why not use the Bluetooth if it works ?

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 19 Dec 2018 23:57

bernard1 wrote:
19 Dec 2018 23:20
Thor_Beats wrote:
19 Dec 2018 16:23
I tested the bluetooth setting to make sure there wasn't an issue with the speakers, and the bluetooth setting worked fine and got loud.
Why not use the Bluetooth if it works ?
The LP120 doesn’t have Bluetooth.

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 23 Dec 2018 21:25

Update! Ordered this preamp https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B000H2BC4 ... UTF8&psc=1 which just showed up and it works great now. Just need to bypass the internal preamp on TT. Either something wrong with the one in the TT I got, or isn’t comparable with the speakers I got.

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Thor_Beats » 25 Dec 2018 00:18

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24 Dec 2018 12:32
Thor_Beats wrote:
23 Dec 2018 21:25
Update! Ordered this preamp https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B000H2BC4 ... UTF8&psc=1 which just showed up and it works great now. Just need to bypass the internal preamp on TT. Either something wrong with the one in the TT I got, or isn’t comparable with the speakers I got.
I'll just throw this out:

I wouldn't bother with bypassing the internal pre-amp on the turntable for that setup. It's just not worth the work. Just set it to phono. Yes, rewiring to completely bypass can improve the sound, but the difference is so slight that you would only hear it if:
1. You were using extremely high grade electronics in the rest of the chain.
2. you were using extremely high grade cartridge.
3. You were using extremely high grade speakers (or headphones).
4. You were doing a controlled A/B comparison.

I know about all the articles regarding this turntable and its pre-amp, but it's really a sort of tempest in a teapot. It's like modifying your car's engine to get an extra 1.5 horsepower. A better air filter, sure, because that's easy, but mods?

OTOH, if it's your hobby to do this sort of thing, go for it. I modded a pair of Oktava MK-319 studio microphones, so I understand the feeling. :)
To be clear, when I said "bypass the internal preamp" I just meant hooking up an external preamp. Not necessarily ripping the internal preamp out. When using the TT's preamp, the audio quality was extremely quiet, as indicated earlier in this tread. I'm very happy now that I've hooked up the external preamp. Sounds great!

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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by Blonded » 27 Dec 2018 13:44

Thor_Beats wrote:
25 Dec 2018 00:18
wrote:
24 Dec 2018 12:32
Thor_Beats wrote:
23 Dec 2018 21:25
Update! Ordered this preamp https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B000H2BC4 ... UTF8&psc=1 which just showed up and it works great now. Just need to bypass the internal preamp on TT. Either something wrong with the one in the TT I got, or isn’t comparable with the speakers I got.
I'll just throw this out:

I wouldn't bother with bypassing the internal pre-amp on the turntable for that setup. It's just not worth the work. Just set it to phono. Yes, rewiring to completely bypass can improve the sound, but the difference is so slight that you would only hear it if:
1. You were using extremely high grade electronics in the rest of the chain.
2. you were using extremely high grade cartridge.
3. You were using extremely high grade speakers (or headphones).
4. You were doing a controlled A/B comparison.

I know about all the articles regarding this turntable and its pre-amp, but it's really a sort of tempest in a teapot. It's like modifying your car's engine to get an extra 1.5 horsepower. A better air filter, sure, because that's easy, but mods?

OTOH, if it's your hobby to do this sort of thing, go for it. I modded a pair of Oktava MK-319 studio microphones, so I understand the feeling. :)
To be clear, when I said "bypass the internal preamp" I just meant hooking up an external preamp. Not necessarily ripping the internal preamp out. When using the TT's preamp, the audio quality was extremely quiet, as indicated earlier in this tread. I'm very happy now that I've hooked up the external preamp. Sounds great!
So guys.. do I need to buy a preamp or just connect my ATLP60 straight to the speakers?
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Re: Audio-Technica AT-LP120 paired with Edifier R1280DB Speakers

Post by JoeE SP9 » 27 Dec 2018 19:18

I would try it using the internal phono preamp first. If it's not adequate you can always purchase an external one.

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