Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

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Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by jorgenriquez » 30 Oct 2018 04:53

Hello, Guys

Black Friday is coming and i want to buy a tt, wich one is better: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by Luicas » 30 Oct 2018 05:54

Hi Jorge. I would strongly suggest you aim a bit higher, the AT LP-1240-USB is a much more solid performer and also a much better value proposition than the three models you mentioned.

A couple hundred dollars more will buy you a very decent table.

My $0.02


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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by producer_ben » 02 Nov 2018 15:54

From your shortlist, the AudioTechnica (in my opinion) is the best option.

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 02 Nov 2018 22:33

None of them. If you want new, then at least Audio-technika AT-LP1240 or Reloop RP-7000, but also these one won`t last more than five years. Better to buy something vintage and make some homework.

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by Luicas » 02 Nov 2018 22:56

Vinylfreak86 wrote:
02 Nov 2018 22:33
None of them. If you want new, then at least Audio-technika AT-LP1240 or Reloop RP-7000, but also these one won`t last more than five years. Better to buy something vintage and make some homework.
serious non-troll comment: I'm curious about your statement regarding the 5 year lifespan of these two models. As my signature tells, I have the RP7000 and its big cousin the PLX1000. They both are heavy and seem to be well built. They replaced a Technics SL-Q2 and a Music Hall MMF 5.1 and to be honest, the Hanpins punch way above my previous TT's. Better speed stability, zero resonances, better tonearms, lower noise floor, to name a few. But i've owned them for only a couple of months. So, I'm truly intrigued by your statement about them being short lived.

My recommendation for the AT-LP1240 comes from my experiences, both acoustical and electromechanical with the RP-7000, with which it shares a lot in common. Same motor, same platter, probably same speed control logic, same tonearm, same type of plinth (resin+metal top). They are a class above the entry levels mentioned by the OP, designed for heavy/daily Pro DJ usage, which to me it seems like a bonus in the durability dept.

I'd skip the LP120, PLX-500 and the rp2000m, though. The price difference bewteen these entry levels and the AT-LP1240 is very small, and the benefits are many.

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 03 Nov 2018 10:33

Luicas wrote:
02 Nov 2018 22:56

serious non-troll comment: I'm curious about your statement regarding the 5 year lifespan of these two models. As my signature tells, I have the RP7000 and its big cousin the PLX1000. They both are heavy and seem to be well built.
No doubt that they seem to be well built and also tonearm looks very well made. But this is first impression. I cannot say for PLX-1000, and this one is maybe invested with better materials, but AT-LP1240 and RP-7000 uses plastic tonearm bearings. That means poor performance and short life. Also on the new one you can hear some noise when moving a tonearm. When I try this at my 38 years old Siemens, made in Japan with metal tonearm bearings, I don`t hear anything. Also cueing lever is problematic on these tables and it starts to spoil in a year or two. If you are using a turntable for hifi purposes, it is useless if you cannot put a needle smoothly on the record. Inside are these turntables don`t made that you could disassemble them for hundred times, because many parts are glued together and there is a lot of plastic. DJ`s have problems with PLX-1000, because it is hard to replace a pitch fader, which they use a lot, because of cheap construction. On old SL-1200 it was easy to replace and it also didn`t spoil for a long time. And antiskating is also problematic, on many of these models you need to set it twice as much as VTF that it works, on many turntables it doesn`t do any job at all, because there is no spring inside. Without AS, stylus will skip, bounce, it will wore out too early and on long term will destroy your record collection.

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by Luicas » 03 Nov 2018 13:51

Vinylfreak86 wrote:
03 Nov 2018 10:33
Luicas wrote:
02 Nov 2018 22:56

serious non-troll comment: I'm curious about your statement regarding the 5 year lifespan of these two models. As my signature tells, I have the RP7000 and its big cousin the PLX1000. They both are heavy and seem to be well built.
No doubt that they seem to be well built and also tonearm looks very well made. But this is first impression. I cannot say for PLX-1000, and this one is maybe invested with better materials, but AT-LP1240 and RP-7000 uses plastic tonearm bearings. That means poor performance and short life. Also on the new one you can hear some noise when moving a tonearm.
Both LP1240 and RP7000 have metal tonearm bearings. Same as the PLX1000. About loose bearings, they are super easy to adjust, if for any reason one receives a unit with this issue. DJ’s appear to prefer the freest left right movement possible, so these units come with a wee bit of play. Mine were adjusted by me, but honestly I didn’t hear any difference in sound before or after adjusting to zero play. Just helped with my OCD...

I’d take an Lp1240 over any of the similarly priced Regas/Projects/music halls any day of the week. Obviously, I’d take a new SL1200G/GR any day of the week if I had the budget to buy one. But I’d never pay 700-800USD for a used and probably beaten to death SL1200.

All this I say to an aspiring enthusiast. With an apparent budget of 300-400 USD.

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by Luicas » 03 Nov 2018 14:03

forgot to add that anti skating works perfectly well on both my units. The pioneer uses a different scaling on the rotating knob. But it works and can be properly adjusted. The reloop’s scale is in grams as usual.

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 03 Nov 2018 16:24

I also agree that Rega and Project are nothing special, but at least quality control of their production is like it have to be. I don`t like their design and would never buy them. I am a fan of DD, but it is hard to produce a decent DD table for 500-600 EUR, so nothing to blame on chinese producers. They have to cut all corners, because at the end they get maybe half of the end price of the product. Back in the days entry level DD tables were available for 700-900 eur if we calculate the inflation. Also agree that it is stupid to pay 600-800 EUR for 30 years old SL-1200. I paid for my Siemens 100 EUR and this is fair price for a thing in excellent condition. But also on the second-hand market, you pay for a brand. You can find better turntables like Technics under non-popular brands for cheap.

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by jorgenriquez » 04 Nov 2018 05:38

thank you all, guys, i can´t wait for the black friday to see what would be my best choice, in the meantime i bought a ion itt02a for 25 bucks, stylus is missing, do you know anything about this model? i can't find information about it, what stylus would be good?

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Re: Reloop rp2000m, Audio Technica Lp120 or Pioneer PLX-500?

Post by jorgenriquez » 04 Nov 2018 06:16

the Cartridge is also missing

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