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Postby bauzace50 » 14 Feb 2006 09:12

Does anyone know where to get a 50/60 Hz *Battery-Powered* strobe light for using with LP strobe discs?
This is preferred over neon/fluorescent lights that work on household current, since household current frequency can be inaccurate.
The KAB Acoustics model comes with its own disc, but the price is rather steep. Same thing with the *300 Hz* strobe from Clearaudio.
Isn't there a 50/60 Hz battery-powered strobe light in the market which at the same time does not deplete budgets?
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Postby Steerpike_jhb » 14 Feb 2006 13:40

Depends how adept you are with a soldering iron. Such a thing could be put together very inexpensively from a few IC gates, a divider IC, a quartz crystal and an LED. I would guess under US$10 for all parts.
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Postby bauzace50 » 14 Feb 2006 13:54

Hello Steerpike,
Yes, I have lots of practice with kit building (mostly Dynaco). If you have a design, I would be very happy to build one unit! Please let me know. Thankyou!
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Postby padego » 14 Feb 2006 19:51

I second that, Ive been searching for one without much success and without costing an arm and a leg!
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Postby Blue Angel » 14 Feb 2006 20:09

Hi Carlos, Steerpike & pads

Such a thing mounted on a plinth close to your platter is most useful.

If you look at my 301 in the Gallery, you'll notice the strobe gadget on a stalk, folded down so the 7 element led illuminates the platter's strobemarkings.

It's called Litlite, from Litlite Inc and obviously US-made. There is no website mentioned on the packaging I still have but the firm is situated in Hamburg, MI 48139-0430 USA.

I have a custombuilt clean powersupply fitted underneath the Garrard's plinth and when I built it, I made provision for various dc outputs as well. My Litlite strobelight is fitted with a seven-element LED and runs off 12V dc.

I did this job 12 or 13 years ago and maybe Litlite USA now has a website.

Firms reselling this equipment are usually suppliers to sound studios or audiovisual distributors.

Hope this info is useful

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Postby Gatto Murr » 14 Feb 2006 20:31

padego wrote:I second that, Ive been searching for one without much success and without costing an arm and a leg!


maybe it's better starting from scratch...

you'd need a quartz (1.8342MHz should be quite easy to find), an oscillator (a couple of inverters from a 4049) one or two programmable dividers like the 4040's (factors are 36864 and 30720, 50 and 60Hz) and a 555 as astable to drive a power transistor (or Cmos) with some high-brightness white leds as load. The 555 is required because the pulse from divider is too short (I suppose) to drive adequately a led - with the astable you can set the ON time while the divider gives only the trigger signal to the timer.

Problem is finding out a time standard to calibrate -and periodically check - such a gadget. A counter would be required, or .... the main line frequency ;-)

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Postby Gatto Murr » 14 Feb 2006 20:39

By the way, a simple thing with a 555 as astable and a led could suffice...

Modifying a timer kit (Google gives a million of them) would be easy.

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Postby Steerpike_jhb » 14 Feb 2006 22:02

a simple thing with a 555 as astable and a led could suffice


A 555 as an oscillator would be woefully prone to drift. Far, far worse than the AC mains as a reference.
A quartz reference is required, and this is very accurate, even without any calibration. And the crystal is more stable than the AC mains, so it's not helpful to try to calibrate it from the mains. It's likely to be as accurate at least as a digital multimeter, unless you have access to one from a laboratory that is regularly re-calibrated, so aiming for super-accurate calibration is rather pie-in-the-sky for us mere mortals. However, the uncalibrated error is likely to be far too small to be audible, and probably smaller than the speed error of the cutting lathe used to make the LP.

By my reckoning, key component count would be:
1xquartz crystal, 1xCD4060 divider IC, 1xCD4013 flip-flop IC, 1x ultrabright LED.

I'll put up a plan in a day or so... will draw it up and scan it.

Anyone tried viewing the strobe disc by the light of a television screen (conventional CRT type). That would be a very accurate 60Hz reference - IF it provides enough light. (0r 50Hz in europe/south africa)
(must be a real broadcast - although a DVD player ought to give a very good refence too).
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Postby hagtech » 14 Feb 2006 23:04

Here's one way to do it DIY:

http://www.hagtech.com/ufo.html

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Postby Gatto Murr » 14 Feb 2006 23:30

[quote="Steerpike_jhb

I'll put up a plan in a day or so... will draw it up and scan it.

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Fine! maybe I can find an use for that xtal oven I should have somewhere in my junk box.

I'd like trying the simple 555, but no time (I'm late! I'm late!)....

regards, Piero

p.s. before starting with xtals, how is the minimal speed change which can be noticed by an average listener? And what about the speed of such a change ?
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Postby bauzace50 » 15 Feb 2006 00:53

Hello all,
The Hagtech looks VERY desirable. I will be looking into it. However, other designs are offered by you fellows, which would promise to be interesting also.
We'll keep in touch, and thankyou for the valued responses.
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Postby padego » 15 Feb 2006 16:02

Very interesting, I'll look forward to the different designs although the Hagtech does look nice and compact...
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Postby Steerpike_jhb » 15 Feb 2006 23:16

Here is my tentative design. I went out & got the parts for it today, but they didn't have the crystal where I usually buy components.
All the parts including a plasic case (similar to a TV remore control's box) cost me less than us$3.00. The crystals I know from past purchases are around us$1.30. When I've assembled it & tested it I'll post more, but here's the circuit for those who'd like to compare in the meantime. NOTE: as shown, it is straight out of my head and NOT yet tested. Some component values may need to change.
http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/gallery/image.php?image_id=3065

That Hagtech works at 75Hz, which means it will only work with their strobe disc (and won't work on strobed platters like the 301/401), something I think Bauzace specifically wanted to avoid.

Incidentally, it is not possible to make a 45rpm strobe disc that is accurate under 50Hz lighting. The closest you can get is 45.112rpm, so anyone in Europe who trims their TT by a strobe to play 7-singles is actually playing them 0.25% fast (quite a big error considering the accuracy claimed by the "Quartz PLL" brigade)!
And it's not possible to make a 78rpm strobe disc that is accurate under 50Hz OR 60Hz lighting, (or even 75Hz lighting for that matter - Hagtech buyers should note).
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Postby Gatto Murr » 16 Feb 2006 00:39

Hi Steerpike, what's the xtal frequency? 1.6384 MHz?

Maybe 3.2768 would be easier to find (see it here at oselectronics.com) - and you could both sections of the 4013.


By the way, that Hagtech has an ON pulse of 3.3 milliseconds or I'm wrong?

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