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Which Dual- TT is the best ever?

Postby jvo » 26 Nov 2005 22:17

Now that I aquired my 5th. Dual I start thinking about the following:

- which TT- model is the best one of all Duals?
- which one is the best belt- drive -TT of all Duals?

and how come...?
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Re: Which Dual- TT is the best ever?

Postby alex » 28 Nov 2005 16:52

jvo wrote:Now that I aquired my 5th. Dual I start thinking about the following:

- which TT- model is the best one of all Duals?
- which one is the best belt- drive -TT of all Duals?

and how come...?


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best recordchanger 1229
solid build, over-engeneered idler drive, with very good tonearm


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best automatic 701
Famous EDS1000 directdrive motor, very silent with great torgue...
undestructable ...
good tonearm
after 30 years still unbeaten in its price-range

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best beltdrive 5000 ( or 7000 or The Golden Stone)[/img]
high tech belt-drive speed regulation....
nice tonearm ...

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Postby jvo » 29 Nov 2005 15:31

Thanks, Alex. Nice pics. Is the 701 better than the 5000?
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Postby alex » 08 Dec 2005 16:59

jvo wrote:Thanks, Alex. Nice pics. Is the 701 better than the 5000?


in my opinion :
they both will do the job fine ....

the 701 is more solid, and the spindlebearing is never a issue ..
unfortanaly i con not say the same for the 5000
also the tonearm of the 701 has a more generiek type of tonearm..

if I had to make a choise, i would go for the 701 ..

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Postby jvo » 08 Dec 2005 20:23

alex wrote:
jvo wrote:Thanks, Alex. Nice pics. Is the 701 better than the 5000?


in my opinion :
they both will do the job fine ....

the 701 is more solid, and the spindlebearing is never a issue ..
unfortanaly i con not say the same for the 5000
also the tonearm of the 701 has a more generiek type of tonearm..

if I had to make a choise, i would go for the 701 ..

alex


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Postby Piotr » 28 Dec 2005 12:32

I'll have to disagree with Alex. In my opinion the 5000 is a much better tt than the 701. I can agree that the quality control was better when the 701 was produced but in every aspect of sound the 5000 beats the 701.

I have used both for some time and I don't think that the 701 stands a chance to the 5000 when it comes to sound quality.
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Postby Plattenwechsler » 21 Jun 2006 20:45

Hello,
in my humble opinion, the 601 ist the most workable of all Duals. It has excellent performance and very solid workmanship. In comparison to the mechanically similar 701 the 601 has belt drive and herewith NO delicate electronics.
I consider the 1019 and the 1209 (both idler wheel drive) the most beautiful models.
Insider's tips are the 1237 and 1239, small but very well-crafted belt drive turntables with astonishing accurate surface feel! The tonearm construction is as good as the 601/701's :D
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Postby ElwoodB » 15 Aug 2006 05:33

What about the Dual 721 ? Isn't it better than the 701 ? I know that the platter's lighet, but isn't the 721's EDS 1000-2 motor the improved version of the 701's EDS 1000 motor ?

as for the record changers ... what about the Dual 1249 ?
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Postby Plattenwechsler » 15 Aug 2006 12:56

Hello,
there's hardly any difference between the EDS 1000 and the EDS 1000-2. If there is one, it is not noticable and not audible. The main difference between the Dual 701 and the 721 is the tonearm: The 721 has continuous vertical tonearm control, i.e. the VTA can be easily changed in order to adapt different cartridges. But thus it is also more interference-prone. I consider the 701 the best sounding Dual ever. I use it every day, while my 721 collects dust on top of the closet :wink:
The 1249 is the most advanced record changer. It was released on occasion of Dual's 75th anniversary in 1975. So it is very collectible. Performance is not inferior to 701 or 721.
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Dual 701 vs. Dual 721

Postby ElwoodB » 18 Aug 2006 01:35

ok now I have such a dillema:
I've recently acquired a Dual 721, but it seems that something's wrong with the tonearm mount or bearings so that's needs to be fixed ...
BUT the guy from which I've bought the turntable has also a 701 on sale and I may have a chance at swapping the turntables ...

the question is : is it worth it ? I've bought the 721 instead of the 701 because I thought the 721 is better than the 701 in the first place :(

(sorry for being slightly off-topic)
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Postby Plattenwechsler » 18 Aug 2006 04:23

The 721 is the 701's chronological successor. Advantages s.a.. In my opinion, the 701 is better worked up and even sounds slightly better. So if I were you, I'd take the 701. Or, much better, take both :wink:
Back to topic: There are also great Duals of the 50s and the early 60s. The 1003 to 1006 are the top models of that time. Does anybody possess one? :D
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Postby MB Arkestra » 19 Aug 2006 16:16

Interesting thread, alot of great info in here.

I'm looking to buy another Dual, but I'm not quite sure which one. I would like to get a 701 or a 601 obviously, but they're simply out of my price range. Right now I'm considering getting either a 1229, 1249 or 1237. Are any of these particularly better than the other in anyone's opinion?
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Postby Plattenwechsler » 19 Aug 2006 16:53

All of the mentioned are very good turntables and do sound excellent. The main differences: The 1229 has idler wheel drive, while the others have belt drive. Ideler wheel rumbles very slightly more than belt drive, but this is as good as inaudible at normal volume. Nevertheless, the 1229 is the most challenging of the mentioned models. The 1219 is identical in construction but has no strobe light.
The 1237 has a smaller chassis than the others and herewith a smaller platter. It is eqal in size to the 1210 on this image: http://people.freenet.de/plattenwechsler/orgel.jpg That means that an LP juts out over the platter's edge. Some people say that this looks daft. But it doesn't influence sound.
The 1249 is similar to the 601. The 1249 is a record changer, while the 601 is just a player.
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Postby Milestrane » 06 Sep 2006 14:55

Plattenwechsler wrote:Hello,
in my humble opinion, the 601 ist the most workable of all Duals. It has excellent performance and very solid workmanship. In comparison to the mechanically similar 701 the 601 has belt drive and herewith NO delicate electronics.
I consider the 1019 and the 1209 (both idler wheel drive) the most beautiful models.
Insider's tips are the 1237 and 1239, small but very well-crafted belt drive turntables with astonishing accurate surface feel! The tonearm construction is as good as the 601/701's :D
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Marc,
I have a chance to grab a 1237 and a lot people are steering me from it.
I was going to rig into a 1209 body.
What do you mean by accurate surface feel?
and what about the sound?

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Postby Mertol » 01 Nov 2006 16:47

Hi all gurus,

my 50 cents is that Dual 721 and 1229 are among the finest of the duals. The good thing about dual is event the cheapest still sounds fine if in good condition.

Both 1229 and 721 ( I never own a 701 so can not compare, but I believe it should be as well) hold their own when compared to more exotic players.

I currently have 2x 721 (one mint other nearly nos) and a 1229 and I sold the rest of the duals.

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