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Dual 701 versus Dual 1229 versus Dual 1249!

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Which turntable do you like the best?

Dual 701
46
57%
Dual 1229
25
31%
Dual 1249
10
12%
 
Total votes : 81

Dual 701 versus Dual 1229 versus Dual 1249!

Postby Foxhound » 20 Apr 2010 17:13

Fresh from its victory in this previous poll:


http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=27028


the Dual 1229 now takes on a new pair of challengers!

Which of these turntables do you like the best?

Dual 701 - single play, direct drive

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Dual 1229 - multiple play, idler wheel drive

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Dual 1249 - multiple play, belt drive

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Postby rorenoren » 20 Apr 2010 17:45

Hi Foxhound,

I couldn´t decide between these three.

The 701 ist perfectly quiet with no rumble or motor noise.

The 1229 has got the charm of an idlerwheel- drive, but, very often has audible motor- noise.
(which can almost completely be changed by cleaning, oiling and eventually turn the bearings plate* upside down)

*the motor axle "stands" on it, so that there might be wear

When the motor is ok, the noise level is much lower than the one of a good record.

Both are fantastic players when in good shape.

The 1249 ist somewhere in between.

It is more quiet than the 1229, but, has the same motor problems sometimes.

The arms of all thee are of similar, very good quality.
(I personally don´t like the way the headshell is mounted, but it works well)

I could not say which is the best, but would prefer the 701 as I haven´t got one.

Only my two cents.

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Postby ssmith3046 » 24 Apr 2010 16:27

I few months ago I bought a 701 from Bill Neumann with a V-15 III on it and I have been thrilled with it. Smooth and quite. A great turntable!
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Postby Smoke Screen » 24 Apr 2010 23:01

Not long ago i choosed the 1249. A fine deck that has the
same drive like a 601 but a slightly modernized arm.
The more complex mechanics of a changer makes it a
bit harder to maintain. If i had selected a DD-Deck i would
have chosen the 721 instead of the 701 and probably
i will buy a 721 as a 2nd TT in the future but for now im
satiesfied with the 1249.
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Postby DSJR » 03 May 2010 18:54

Thirty five years ago, I bought a 1229 (not the Q version) and used and loved it dearly for many years, before passing it on to a mate. It's a great old turntable and as long as the drive isn't rumbling or mechanically "humming" through the speakers, it should still be a good deck today, especially as the arm can take a wide variety of cartridges.

I bought my 701 over twenty years ago (it was fifteen years old then...) and have used it regularly in recent years when finances forced me to sell my better turntable (an NAS mentor). I've bought a quantity of spare headshells and prefer the old TK14 one with the deep sides, as it's more rigid. As for cartridges, I have numerous ADC XLM's/ZLM/VLMII, a Sonus Blue, Shure V15III-LM (supplied), IV and VMR, B&O MMC20CL and SP12 and a small quantity of mc types of which the old Ortofon MC30 Super (NOS) and a Stilton ATOC9 are favourites. The 701 happily takes 'em all.

A couple of little tweaks have been to replace the exit audio cable with some Van Damme twin core pro-patch cable (with additional separate earth wire) and while leaving the mat stuck in place, to add an additional thin mat, currently a Herbies one for the Technics, which doesn't hugely affect VTA.

Whatever I end up with as a main deck, I'll never sell the 701 as we've had too many good times for me to want to pass it on...

P.S. I compared my deck with a Rega 3 a few years ago and IMO the Rega was found wanting..... A Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck is considerably better though...
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Postby Smoke Screen » 19 May 2010 01:47

DSJR wrote: I have numerous ADC XLM's/ZLM/VLMII, a Sonus Blue, Shure V15III-LM (supplied), IV and VMR, B&O MMC20CL and SP12 and a small quantity of mc types of which the old Ortofon MC30 Super (NOS) and a Stilton ATOC9 are favourites. The 701 happily takes 'em all.


The realy good thing with pre ULM-Generation mid to late seventies Duals
is that they share practicaly the same high quality tonearm despite some differences in design. They are all medium mass (around 12gr.) dynamical balanced arms which harmonize well with a large variety of top class carts - back in the day and nowadays.
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Postby Guest » 30 May 2010 19:33

I have all three. The 701 looks best on paper, but suffers from micro-corrections in speed that I find quite annoying.

The 1249 has a soft rubber belt that pushes and pulls. You can hear the speed fluctuations. Also, the machine is fugly.

The 1229 sounds best. Nothing like a nice idler-drive. Rumble? Adhere to the suggested service schedule. Also, toss the crappy wood base. It resonates like a drum.

Better than any of these is the 2nd design 1219. Still has the metal knobs and the ribs moulded into the underside of the platter. But the cueing problem was eliminated. Nicest Dual I have ever heard. My every-day spinner.
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Postby flavio81 » 31 May 2010 18:56

NoTransistors wrote:I have all three. The 701 looks best on paper, but suffers from micro-corrections in speed that I find quite annoying.


This is simply not true at all. You're deluding yourself. Fooling yourself.
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Postby Guest » 01 Jun 2010 02:46

You must be one of the few Peruvians who cannot hear. The 701 is expensive horse doo-doo.
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Postby flavio81 » 01 Jun 2010 07:16

NoTransistors wrote:You must be one of the few Peruvians who cannot hear. The 701 is expensive horse doo-doo.


What does my nationality have to do with this? You could be banned by making such an offensive remark. As a newcomer to the forum, there are rules you must follow.
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Postby Guest » 01 Jun 2010 15:34

Your nationality has ZERO to do with anything. It's mention was not meant as an insult. Relax and please accept my apology.
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Postby Guest » 01 Jun 2010 16:15

All models mentioned in this discussion have 8 3/4" arms. But, the lighter-mass design on the 701 and 1229Q are a hinderance to good sound- they resonate.

The 701 is primative. Quartz-controlled D.D. is best. But as you said, everyone hears differently.
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Postby Smoke Screen » 02 Jun 2010 19:07

NoTransistors wrote:The 1249 has a soft rubber belt that pushes and pulls. You can hear the speed fluctuations.


:shock: Realy ? Thank god i dont have golden ears.... :lol:
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Postby flavio81 » 02 Jun 2010 21:16

NoTransistors wrote:All models mentioned in this discussion have 8 3/4" arms. But, the lighter-mass design on the 701 and 1229Q are a hinderance to good sound- they resonate.


The curious thing is that the 701 has a special, patented anti-resonance mechanism on the counter-balance weight. There are diagrams of it on the Library section.

NoTransistors wrote:The 701 is primative. Quartz-controlled D.D. is best. But as you said, everyone hears differently.


Quartz-Controlled only brings long-term speed accuracy, not lower flutter. In other words, the benefit of quartz control is that the playback time over a whole record side will not be one second more or less... Something very important with radio stations.

A frequency-generator (non-quartz controlled) direct drive turntable (also called "FG servo controlled" has no inherent disadvantage with respect to flutter or pitch stability.

By the way, the Thorens 125 belt drive turntable is servo controlled by a wien frequency oscillator, and is perfectly fine regarding flutter.
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Postby Guest » 03 Jun 2010 04:09

My ears are far from "golden", but I hearz what I hearz.
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