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Yamaha YP-800 how do I replace tonearm phono cable?

Postby eldarvanyar » 19 Apr 2010 23:54

Hi,
I have a Yamaha YP-800 DD Turntable

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The phono and earth cable have been extended by the previous owner with the wires spliced and covered with electrical tape:mad:


So I to need to replace the phono and earth cable. They are connected to what I think (after a bit of internet surfing) is a straight female 5 pin Din connector.

It seems to measure about 12mm diamter

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Here is a picture of the connector at the top right hand corner, and the grey phono/ earth cable connected to the white connector

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What part(s) do I need to buy, where, and how do I wire the phono cable and earth to the connector?

Can I use:
Van Damme 'Shotgun' LC OFC Interconnect signal cable
Conductor 0.63mm plain LC-OFC
Conductor 0.63mm plain LC-OFC
Insulation Foam skin polyethylene
Capacitance <97pF/m
Screen 93% optical coverage LC-OFC braid
Jacket PVC/neoprene composite
Overall diameter 16.0 x 6.0mm
Weight 110 kg/km


or Van Damme Classic instrument cable
VDC News
Mechanical pair specifications

Conductor Material Bare silver plated ultra pure oxygen free copper wire
Stranding 3 x 0.20mm
Material Bare ultra pure oxygen free copper wire
Stranding 4 x 0.20mm AWG 24/7
Insulation Material Polyethylene
Diameter 1.65mm ± 0.10
Screen Type 1 Conductive thermoplastic
Type 2 80 x 0.10mm close lap spiral ultra pure oxygen free copper wire
Diameter 2.90mm

Electrical pair specifications
Description Unit of measurement Actual result
Resistance Ohm/km
Conductor 84.5
Shield 30.2
Insulation Mohm/km < 2500
Capacitance pF/m
Core to core n/a
Core to shield <98

Test voltage Volt 1000v no cracks

Overall jacket properties

Jacket Material Flexible PVC composite
Overall diameter 5.80 mm
Bend radius 15 x overall diameter
Tensile strength 0.85Kg/mm2
Elongation >250%
Heat shock 120 °Cx h no cracks
Temp Range -10 to +60 degrees C

Any help much appreciated :)

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Postby eldarvanyar » 20 Apr 2010 00:15

Does this look like a part I need?

CARDAS S DIN E PLUG (5 PIN FEMALE STRAIGHT)

CARDAS S DIN E PLUG (5 PIN FEMALE STRAIGHT) on eBay (end time 06-May-10 20:52:10 BST)

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Postby Alec124c41 » 20 Apr 2010 05:22

Is the point where the extension has been added long enough for your purposes? If so you could just remove the extensions and attach RCA connectors there. The cable I see in the photos does not look too bad.

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Postby eldarvanyar » 20 Apr 2010 07:34

Alec124c41 wrote:Is the point where the extension has been added long enough for your purposes? If so you could just remove the extensions and attach RCA connectors there. The cable I see in the photos does not look too bad.

Cheers,
Alec


Hi Alec, thanks for taking the time to reply. I could get away with just connecting some phonos at the other end and move my amp nearer to the amp.If i was to do that what phonos would you recommend?
However if If possible I would like to upgrade the cable to improve the sound.

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Re: Yamaha YP-800 how do I replace tonearm phono cable?

Postby erimille » 21 Apr 2010 02:10

eldarvanyar wrote:Hi,
I have a Yamaha YP-800 DD Turntable ...

The phono and earth cable have been extended by the previous owner with the wires spliced and covered with electrical tape:mad:


I own a version of this table as well. While I haven't been able to find any specific details, the YP-800 has always impressed (cable included). My (unconfirmed) research has led me to believe this cable is was originally manufactured by STAX. Mine is 1M in length which is plenty to connect my table to phono amp. I don't think you'd be doing yourself too much of an injustice with simply cutting out the previous owners 'extension' and reterminating with high(er) quality plugs (Eichmann bullets are my favorite).

I've been occasionally thinking of re-wiring the entire arm (unconfirmed Grace G-840F) including headshell to RCA plugs (something similar to the incongnito / Rega mods) but have never gotten around to this. The reason for not doing this at the moment is I'm simply enjoying the arm and cable combination transplanted to my BIX.

- http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/album ... ic_id=8892

I *believe* the CARDAS 5 pin mini-din plug you've identified is a match, but can't confirm. If you do end up moving on this, i'd be curious to know if it is indeed a fit. I've used the shielded CARDAS tonearm wire plus Eichmann bullet combination with other tonearm re-wires with favorable results. I don't think you could go wrong with any of the suggestions you've mentioned.

best of luck,

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Postby eldarvanyar » 24 Apr 2010 16:29

I have come across some solutions for this involving ready made cables

The first is by Sigma Acoustics using Canare Cable

HIGH QUALITY CANARE TONEARM CABLE FOR LINN SME etc 1.2M $62 (us$)

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 658wt_1161

High quality tonearm cable

Manufacturer: SigmaAcoustics

Cable: pure copper , Genuine Canare made in Japan

Cable length 1.2 meter (about 3.5 Ft.)

24K gold plated 5 pins tonearm connector

Excellent quality gold plated , solderless RCA connectors

All joints soldered using 4% silver solder

Compatibility:

Pioneer PL-41 ,Jelco 250,750 ,SME ,Linn ittok,Ekos ,Roksan ,Acoustic Research
Audioquest ,Micro Seiki And many more


Sigma Acoustics also do a

HIGH END TONEARM CABLE 99.997% SILVER LINN SME STRAIGHT $110 (us$)


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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 093wt_1161
Model:SigmaAcoustics Designer
99.997% heavy silver plated wire
Cable length 1 meter (about 3 Ft.)
Teflon dielectric
100% shielding
24K gold plated 5 pins tonearm connector
High quality wooden body, gold plated RCA connectors
Solder less RCA connectors
Very low capacitance around 30 pf/M un terminated
Highly flexible
Life time warranty
Package: Black Felt bag

Compatibility:

Pioneer PL-41 ,Jelco 250,750 ,SME ,Linn ittok,Ekos ,Roksan ,Acoustic Research
Audioquest ,Micro Seiki ,Moerch ,Mayware ,koetsu And many more

The 3rd option is by Ultimate Cabels in Canada

http://www.ultimatecables.com/zencart/i ... 15481682a1

Silver Series C4 Tonearm Cardas female/Delrin- Neutrik rca
Starting at: $85.00
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Ultimate silver series C4 cable. 6 conductors of 26 gauge with 2 shields. Separate ground. Beautiful black outer nylon wrap. Cardas female 5 pin din with original Delrin sleeve. High quality electro-plated gold Neutrik RCA plugs(color coded red/black). 1.2 Meter standard length.

Any opinions on what I should go for
1. Canare copper wire solution
2. 99.997% heavy silver plated wire
3. Copper / Silver 6 conductor 26 gauge

Thanks I can't wait to order one soon
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Postby eldarvanyar » 25 Apr 2010 23:33

Hi ,

I would be looking to replace the original cable from the tonearm connector which would be 1.2m in total.

If the original cable is manufactured by STAX then I presume it must be a good cable hence thinking about re-terminating the end of it and seeing what it sounds like. I will probably change the whole cable anyway with one of the above.

When it comes to cartridge I will only be using a MM as I just cannot justify buying a MC design. To be honest I don't want to get too heavy into vinyl, but just have a decent sounding sytem without spending silly money.

The options I have regarding cartridge are as follows:

At the moment my Yamaha YP-800 DD TT has a Shure M75ED Type 2 cartridge

I have the choice of upgrading to either of the following

1. Pickering XV-15 D625E
2. Shure M97xE

I have the option to connect to a Yaoin M512B valve RIIA preamp using 2x12ax7 and a 12au7 valves.

I am going to connect this to either of the following

Yamaha CR1000 Reciever
Sony F808ES Integrated amp

or I can go all valve and connect to my EL34 push pull integrated valve amp.

Speaker wise I will be usibng either
Proac Response 1SC Standmount monitors
or
Mission 752 Floorstanders

Music wise I will be listening to some AOR, Classical, choral, some popular Jazz and female vocal

I also have a Systemdek IIX900 that I am sorting out as well giving me a choice of two TTs or systems

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Postby eldarvanyar » 28 Apr 2010 16:59

Right, an update I have been told that the the Canare cable 'IS' screened and the capacitance is 75 pf/m

"Hello, Capacitance between conductors is 75 pF/m
yes,cable is screened it would be great for MM"
"
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- audiodiyers

so that means that cable is is as follows
Manufacturer: SigmaAcoustics

Cable: pure copper , Genuine Canare made in Japan

Cable length 1.2 meter (about 3.5 Ft.)

24K gold plated 5 pins tonearm connector

Excellent quality gold plated , solderless RCA connectors

All joints soldered using 4% silver solder

Compatibility:

Pioneer PL-41 ,Jelco 250,750 ,SME ,Linn ittok,Ekos ,Roksan ,Acoustic Research
Audioquest ,Micro Seiki And many more

Cable 2 is
Model:SigmaAcoustics Designer
99.997% heavy silver plated wire
Cable length 1 meter (about 3 Ft.)
Teflon dielectric
100% shielding
24K gold plated 5 pins tonearm connector
High quality wooden body, gold plated RCA connectors
Solder less RCA connectors
Very low capacitance around 30 pf/M un terminated
Highly flexible
Life time warranty
Package: Black Felt bag

Compatibility:

Pioneer PL-41 ,Jelco 250,750 ,SME ,Linn ittok,Ekos ,Roksan ,Acoustic Research
Audioquest ,Micro Seiki ,Moerch ,Mayware ,koetsu And many more

I will never be using a MC but a MM cartridge due to cost and the deck etc

Should I spend almost twice as much on the dearer cables or is the Canare one going to be worth going for?

Opininons please:music:

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Postby Alec124c41 » 29 Apr 2010 05:22

New connectors on your existing cables won't set you back much - in fact you could use the connectors from the extensions, and see how it sounds. You can buy new ones if this doesn't satisfy.
A Jico SAS stylus on that M75 is worth considering seriously.

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