What value are you loading the Denon with? At 47k ohms it will sound a little thin. Somewhere between 1k ohm and 8k ohms is ideal. If you can only load at 47k ohms, which is what I assume with your phono pre, go with the Grado or the Ortofon, the Grado lush and full with a plumy bass, the Ortofon more direct and incisive with a tighter bass. But if you can load it properly with a different phono pre, the Denon beats both of them IMHO.
flavio81 wrote:Using this website:
You can hear the Grado Black (almost the same as Red) and Ortofon 510 and 530 (which are more or less similar to the 2M red), and the DL-110 which is lower priced than the Denon DL-160.
From all of those, in my opinion after carefully listening,
The DL-110 is the best of those, by far. Clearer AND punchier sound. No sibilance/mistracking problems at all.
Next is the Ortofon 530 (nude fine line stylus, note that the 2M red has a plain elliptical), good sound but on a lower tier compared to the denon, definitely.
Next is the Grado Black and the 510 (tie). The 510 is a bit harsh and i can hear some sibilance/mistracking. The Black does not has so marked mistracking problems but certainly lacks definition on the high frequencies, plus it is a bit "dark" or "muddy" sounding.
I would go for the Denon without a doubt!
BTW i don't understand why the Grados (black, green, blue, red) get praise from some members.
If you think the Black and Red are almost the same, then you don't understand.
Having owned 2 blacks, 2 reds, a green, and 2 golds, my longhorn modded gold is my go to cartridge. And there is a world of difference in the character between the black and the red.
wait a minute!
the TP 16 original tonearm, like on this TD 160 is the heavy tonearm with 16,5g eff. mass!
high compliance cartridges are not the best choice.
Grado cartridges like light tonearms.
the Denon is the best bet for this tonearm in question.
try the DL 160.
make sure the VTA is adjusted as the Denons are a bit critical here.
forget the high compliance Ortofons and Grado's here.
maybe try a Sumiko Blue Point or a Nagaoka cartridge as an option.
flavio81 wrote: (...) The DL-110 is the best of those, by far. Clearer AND punchier sound. No sibilance/mistracking problems at all.
Next is the Ortofon 530 (nude fine line stylus, note that the 2M red has a plain elliptical), good sound but on a lower tier compared to the denon, definitely. (...)