Vinyl cleaning chemicals

[Brian C.]

The reason why I'm looking to pre-diluted solutions from internet sources is that I need to avoid carrying things of significant weight more than a few yards

Frustrating.

Brian (victim of the statin con)

[eguth]

The weight of the undiluted 'L'Art' is about the same (at a guess) as two LPs- in the dark brown bottle it comes in. If you dilute it in small quantities (at most, say, 250 ml at a time) - and store it in a plastic bottle- you should not get a hernia even if you have to transport your solution from kitchen to listening room. 250ml will clean many more records than you are likely to do in a week. The commercially 'made up'solution is almost certainly heavier, and certainly not as economic. I don't think dark brown bottles (obtainable in any chemist) are necessary, or even the best way of storing the made up solution, which is why I use a translucent plastic bottle kept inside my home made black cloth bag. The bag is almost entirely lightproof- especially when kept in the dark.

For the purposes of my general education, what is 'statin con'?

[Brian C.]

I was referring to the problem of carrying 5 litres of purified water home from the chemists.

The "statin con" is the one being played out at the moment where toxic medication is being prescribed on the back of a false hypothesis. For most it causes muscle damage, for the really unlucky, nerve damage.

Brian.

[eguth]

Just a thought: you could go to your local chemist- who often has purified or distilled water in an opened container for her/his own dispensing use. A little gentle persuasion if you bring, say, a l litre bottle may well result in your purchase of only 1 litre instead of the entire 5 litre container.

Alternatively you could bring a few 1 litre bottles and make two or three trips: or purchase a small (more costly) bottle of deonised water from Tescos. My local Tesco sells 1 litre bottles; I believe Halfords do as well.

Fascinating stuff about statins being toxic; I can well believe it! I had a friend who died a few months ago after being on statins for years, though I don't know whether the statins killed him or enabled him to soldier on for so long being in pretty bad nick (or both). Myself, I would heartily recommend anyone- particularly the over 50s- to purchase a very good garlic press. The best one in the world, in my opinion, is made in Switzerland and not imported into the U.K. It is the Zygliss JUMBO. I got mine from an internet source in the U.S. The JUMBO is unique insofar as the garlic does not have to be peeled first (a nutritional advantage, I believe) and also because the garlic receptacle is very close to the hinge- giving a lot more leverage than usual. I’m a three ‘raw clove of garlic a day’ man, in a bit of milk or yoghurt or ‘what –have-you’? If anyone objects to the stink, just tell them to eat raw garlic; then they can’t smell it from others! Harrods do stock the smaller Zygliss model but I do not recommend it. Eat it; don''t heat it!

Garlic is an amazing plant; and quite apart from the Gurwich rays (beneficial radiation) it has a number of fabulous properties. I have a mini library about it. Sorry for going on so long about it, but it is really worth a try if you have any high cholesterol worries, and it deserves a much better press.

[Conrad Hoffman]

Haven't read this whole thread in a while, but my experience is that isopropyl isn't damaging, but it's just not very effective. I used the standard water, alcohol, wetting agent recipe for a while, but wasn't happy with it. Now I use an enzyme cleaner for, honest to goodness, pet stains. It's mild, vastly more effective, rinses easily, and not too expensive.

[Brian C.]

Any names to look out for? Sources?

Eguth, have you tried cleaning your records with garlic juice?

(Trying to get back on topic )


Added: It looks like medical cleaning solutions, e.g. Tr-Enzyme, are the real deal but only seem to be available in larger quantities. Can anybody source in small quantities appropriate for home use here in the UK?

Brian.

[Conrad Hoffman]

The brand I use is "Out!". I don't know if it's common, but we get it at the pet store or the supermarket. I use it full strength with an old Watts record cleaning brush, then rinse with our relatively good tap water, blot the bulk of the water off with a towel, then finish with a Diskwasher brush so that no water dries on the record.

[CREN74]

This may sound odd, but for those having trouble finding purified water....try your local aquarium store (pet store). It is common to use distilled or microfiltered water for marine aquariums. Usually the big chain stores wont have any but a specialty shop that knows what they are doing probabally will. Its 25 cents per gallon here. Or you could always just buy your own filtration kit from screw-bay.

[davidsss]

I've seen those medical cleaners with enzymes and I reckon that would be the go. But I'd just like the convenience of buying it from a physical shop rather than having to order online. Don't suppose anyone knows of a medical supply shop in Melbourne Australia? I work very near the major hospitals I wonder if they would have a shop which sells this stuff, or even a shop for medical students.

DS

[sq225917]

brian, theres no false hypothesis with Statins, they have been the most tested drug group in the world, with millions of patient years of double blinded peer reviewed placebo controlled trials generated.

If you have high cholestral due to faulty/failing liver metabolism then they are the surest way to rebalance this for the majority of people.

However they do accumulate in the liver and the muscles, and if the dose is not carefully monitored then it can lead to rhabdomyalisis, which could be fatal.

There are statins available that have no recorded toxicity, but because they are out of patent they aren't promoted by medical reps, GP's genuinely forget they exist.

[Brian C.]

sq225917 I profoundly disagree with you but this is not the venue for such a discussion of course.

Let's just say I speak from both experience and knowledge.

Brian.

[bikelectro]

Hi folks,
I use a dash of fairy in the sink with water, rinse off from the tap and dry off with paper kitchen roll! The results are good, but a residue is left causing crackles. This clears away after several plays. The water is hard here in SE England. I've just been thinking;- in winter i use a de-humidifier which collects lots of water from the air, surely i could bottle this and use it, maybe with a better unperfumed detergent, is there a simple one available from Boots or somewhere? Has anyone thought of using water from de-humidifiers, surely this is good water for free?

[bikelectro]

Because we get condensation on the walls and windows, causing black mould. It can get on the records! Keeping a normal humidity stops it happening. Usually run it overnight when the weather is less than 10 degrees outside. So i'm just thinking i should use this water which should be free of lime for my record cleaning and also in the steam iron!

[kora]

Don't know much about chemistry but I've often wondered if the sterile solutions for cleaning contact lenses might be useful at some stage in the record cleaning process. There are two 360ml bottles of Focus Care (CIBA Vision) in our house but they're for some reason from Italy. The bits I can make out say that a soaking removes protein, washes, rinses, disinfects, conserves and hydrates lenses, more or less what you want to do with your records. Stated ingredients:

"Soluzione isotonica, acquosa contente polyhexanide allo 0,0001% come principio attivo e conservante, cloruro di sodio, poloxamer 407, idrogeno fosfato disodico, edatato bisodico e fosfato sodoco diiddrogeno. Non contiene clorexidina o thimrosal."

Does that mean it has salt in it and some other things? Perhaps not so pure after all.