Legal warning for vinyl rippers

[bogle111]

I'm sorry, I just forgot that every rock n roll teenager in North America had an SME 3009 prior to 1982!

I'm sorry that I did't understand that magazines are the most important in today's industry. When my father was a sound engineer in the 50's to the 70's (and nothing to be proud about BTW) he dealt with the actual designers, and salesmen were just runners.

But since there will never be another Jagger or McCartney, who cares.

I am not sure if this is intended to be funny or funky. Whatever is intended 1200y, it sure isn't accuracy, and completely misses the mark on both counts. It may surprise you and your family to know that some of us (runners) were selling SME in the 60s early 70s.

As a Canadian and having lived in Saskatoon in the 50s (and over many parts of Canada) I was not enlightened to turntables until I came to Europe. In fact, I never saw a half decent record store until I lived in Ottawa in the 60s!

As for designers, some of these self appointed "dictators" during the "boom time" (of which I met a few) couldn't and didn't have the qualifications to build a rat trap, let alone a speaker or turntable.

Weird. I'm with you Blue Angel.

As far as I was aware, I can, in the UK copy my legit purchases of music onto another medium, for use in the car for instance. If the law changed or changes, then everything I have is on another medium, unless the law goes retrospective, in which case so will I.

[Blue Angel]

Thank you, bogle111

''tis hard to fathom, maybe he was pulling legs?

Regards

ba

[1200y3]

Re Bogle: This is quite ironic is it not? If you weren't interested in Hi-Fi until you reached Europe, and Saskatoon is 150 miles away? Scale Model Engineering could have been invented in Saskatchewan, but they did not sell them on consumer markets in Canada. Lucky for Europe, I guess. Sure, they were sold throughout North America, and specifically the jobbers like Allied.

P.S. I heard that Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd resided here as well.

Maybe BA thinks I am trying to be funny, maybe we can share a joke at an RIAA convention or something.

[JaS]

As far as I was aware, I can, in the UK copy my legit purchases of music onto another medium, for use in the car for instance. If the law changed or changes, then everything I have is on another medium, unless the law goes retrospective, in which case so will I.

Everyone assumes it's legal because everyone does it, but the law as it stands is clear - it's illegal! The law is supposed to be changing to make personal copies legal, but as it stands we are all pirates in the UK

A quick Google search suggests the details of the changes are still being negotiated with the publishers...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicbl ... right-laws

Hargreaves proposed making it lawful to copy CDs and DVDs for personal use...

...the fact that no consumer has ever been charged for uploading CDs on to their MP3 player – most people wouldn't even know it's illegal – means this exception will have little or no effect

Regards,
JaSs

[b1j]

Well, I'm thrilled to have embraced the age of recording my personal vinyl collection and using it as MP3 files for my personal use on today's portable playback devices. Hooray. And I am not about to sell a pristine LP that I've owned since 1973, just because I've created an iTunes album out of it. So there it lies. No money is changing hands. I know I'm right. I don't think the law wants to catch up with me to change my ways or punish me for this.

And while I'm expressing my opinion, I'm a bit dismayed by the hint of snarkiness in some of these posts. Maybe I'm just overreacting; let's hope so. But let's remember what draws us here: a common love of the vinyl sound. Forums like this thrive when we treat each other with respect and without sarcasm.

[Trackside]

When the IPO says allowing people to copy CD or DVD for personal use will bring £2bn into the UK economy you have to ask what planet they are on. Do they really think anybody out there has ever not copied a CD to itunes because they thought it was illegal?

[Blue Angel]

Re Bogle: This is quite ironic is it not? If you weren't interested in Hi-Fi until you reached Europe, and Saskatoon is 150 miles away? Scale Model Engineering could have been invented in Saskatchewan, but they did not sell them on consumer markets in Canada. Lucky for Europe, I guess. Sure, they were sold throughout North America, and specifically the jobbers like Allied.

P.S. I heard that Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd resided here as well.

Maybe BA thinks I am trying to be funny, maybe we can share a joke at an RIAA convention or something.

Hey 1200y3

Apologies to the OP for veering OT.

I have pleasure in letting you know that I have been fascinated by most of your posts, including the burlap and cactus needle tales. One day when I'm able to shed my embarrassments, I may post tales of my own weird 'experiments' to make handmedowns and dumpster finds play again.

ba

[1200y3]

I apologize as well for allowing BA to coax me into flying off on a tangent. My original point was that I have little sympathy for the industry when they marketed millions of great records and millions of pieces of poor phono equipment. As bogle stated, his interest in phono grew when he got to Europe. North America had so many interested buyers that SME couldn't keep up with the demand, and hifi equipment had to be released as it was. Now the digital solid state storage medium is nearly flawless.

Sorry Blue Angel, but you show the same disrespect as any newbie would, forgetting he wasn't the first on the planet. You really are an angel until you get blue.

[1200y3]

BTW, I didn't in any way originally bring up the bring up the cactus needle ideas. Someone else is credited for it.

[Grozni]

What about recording LP to Audio CD-R? I think that in higher price of Audio (or music) CD-R is included copyright fee. Or maybe not?

[kelvinMunson]

What about recording LP to Audio CD-R? I think that in higher price of Audio (or music) CD-R is included copyright fee. Or maybe not?

I believe you are correct Grozni; I have a Philips CD Recorder which will only record onto Audio CDRs. As well as rejecting normal computer CDRs it will not allow you to copy from another copy.

[JaS]

What about recording LP to Audio CD-R? I think that in higher price of Audio (or music) CD-R is included copyright fee. Or maybe not?

I believe you are correct Grozni; I have a Philips CD Recorder which will only record onto Audio CDRs. As well as rejecting normal computer CDRs it will not allow you to copy from another copy.

Your thinking of the levy imposed under the 1992 Audio Home Recording Act. This was US legislation and doesn't cover the UK where you still have to get the express permission of the copyright holder.

Regards,
JaS

[kelvinMunson]

That being the case, JaS; I wonder why the Audio CDRs existed at all ?

Found the answer to this on the TDK site........... and I've higlighted the statement that confirms your response;

About Consumer CD-R...
Why do we need another type of CD-R?
Desktop CD recorders such as those produced by Philips, Pioneer, Akai and some Marantz units, require the use of a bit-encoded, or 'Consumer' CD-R. In an agreement made in Athens in 1992 between the manufacturers of these low-cost, 'Consumer' recorders and world-wide copyright authorities, this new disc specification was defined in order that differing territories could impose levies on the blank media to compensate for the (assumed), loss of revenue from illegally-copied material. Of course, this would penalise anyone using these low-cost recorders for the purposes of duplicating their own or non-copyright material. However, only selected territories choose to impose the levy and it is not imposed in the United Kingdom. When you buy this type of media in the U.K. you should be aware that it is sold to you 'ex-levy' and copyright must not be infringed.

How does a 'Consumer' CD-R differ?
A 'Consumer' CD-R has it's type defined by the statues of bit 14 in the lead-in track - a 'Consumer' CD recorder will check for status during the initialisation process (this is when the laser output is adjusted to optimum power for the formulation of the particular disc in use). If the recorder cannot read the necessary bit-encoding then its' display will simply read 'no disc' (or some other such message), and no recording can take place. The best 'Consumer' CD-R media will be audio-optimised so as to produce maximum compatibility on a wide variety of playback devices (see section on CD-R write speeds elsewhere). As a 'Consumer' CD recorder will record no faster than 4x (2,000 rpm.), deleterious results may well be experienced using media optimised for 8x to 48x (the norm for standard data CD-Rs), even though such media will of necessity include the bit-encoding necessary to define it as 'Consumer' type. That is to say, some brands of 'Consumer' CD-R will simply be a data disc (8x to 48x), with the bit-encoding added - no account is made of the intended record speed. As always, the problem is compatibility which is the absolutely crucial issue for recording musicians distributing their work for others to listen to on a wide variety of players

[gazatthebop]

I have a Philips CD Recorder which will only record onto Audio CDRs. As well as rejecting normal computer CDRs it will not allow you to copy from another copy.

there is an easy way to record onto computer cdrs using a philips audio cd recorder. it was often mention in "what hi-fi" when those recording devices first appeared.