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Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

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Postby scho2684 » 09 Aug 2010 19:09

Hi Wojtek, how is your armboard project?

Regardin Roger Waters;
I have the original one, and it is absolutely stunning in sound quality.....
I bought it in 1992 when it came out, together with the SONY gold CD version (long white box) which is also stunning in sound quality.

The only thing I do with it is use the CD to set up my Electrostatic speakers....

I often thought of selling the LP because I saw prices on Ebay way beyond 500 euro's and even 700 for a sealed LP, but I never did, I still ask my self why, because I certainly don't listen to the music.....

The original one your looking for (number 01-468761-20) is a black cover, with a little photo on the front, and if the sealing is still in place it must have the sticker on the back with:

Titel, barcode (5 099746 876104) all the tracks and a note: LIMITED EDITION 2 ALBUM VINYL SET MASTERED DIRECT TO LACQUER FROM ORIGINAL ANALOGUE TAPES

On the columbia label on the records it says among other things: Made in Holland and the year 1992

Marco
Vinyl, tubes and tapes... how lucky can you be
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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby blockdog » 23 Jun 2012 21:54

I have the original L.P. and, if you gents will look carefully, in the
proper light, the spline is printed with "Amused To Death" in black on black.
( shiny black on matte black )
I may just consider to sell.
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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby BlackEye » 23 Jun 2012 23:32

I have done many comparisons between CDs and LPs of the same album. There is no comparison, as most of you must know. I wanted this album based on a demo played at a local hi-end audio dealer on his DAC. I was intrigued by the surround effects. I had only heard effects like that on Tomita LPs, until now. I picked up the Amused to Death CD for $1.97.

I am surprised by the quality of the sound, for a CD. It still feels compressed and phony, but, the music is so good and the lyrics so poignant, that it deserves a pass. Interestingly, I played it on my Toshiba DVD player and it sounded smeared. So, I put it into one of the DVD drives on my computer (audio-out to aux-in on my hi-fi). Not only did the sonics improve, BUT, the separation of the ambient sound (Q-sound phasing) was much improved. I gave demonstrations to a few blokes and they were not only amused (and still alive), but amazed at the clarity of the surround sound effects.

A couple weeks later, I scored a top-notch Sony SA-CD player. I put the CD in there and it sounded tonally better (slightly) BUT the surround was not nearly as exciting or distinct. WTF? I put on a test CD and the left and right channels were reversed on all sources emanating from my computer. A headphone check revealed that the sound chip, driver, and software were correct. All my cables were installed correctly. The only non-visible component was the mini-to-RCA y-cord coming out of the computer connecting the RCA cable to the pre-amp. By process of elimination, that is the culprit, mislabeled (colour-coded female jacks).

However, sometimes, good inventions are the result of mistakes or errors or defective products. I am so happy with the result of the channel reversal on this CD that I continue to reverse the cable before listening. I highly recommend lovers of this album to try it. The voice of Bill Hubbard (presumably) should be about 4 feet directly to the right of your right ear, as well as the little kid that follows. Marv Albert’s voice should be in the same place at the end of cut four, Perfect Sense, Pt. 2. If you play it as it is sold, that sound (data) comes from the left speaker, not nearly as “Qed” or dramatic.

Although, even if you reverse the channels, as I recommend, spatially, this CD, is nowhere near the quality of the Tomita LPs.

Which brings me to the point of this entire introduction. Why the F*&* should getting a copy of this album in vinyl format be so Go**amn difficult (and open to a black market of counterfeiters). It is ridiculous. Why would Waters use Q-sound if he weren’t trying to make a more effective artistic statement? And, if that is his intention, surely he is highly aware of the reputation of Dark Side of the Moon as an audiophile staple in VINYL!!! The fact that I got a brand new copy of the CD for $1.97 and that the least expensive LP is well over $300 is an indication that the music isn’t necessarily for the masses, as written. It is most appreciated by audiophiles (and intellectuals). All audiophiles (and especially intellectuals) are not in the 1% (I’m on food stamps – my equipment is from the ‘70’s and still outperforms most of the $100,000 systems of today). Waters should have demanded more vinyl pressings from Columbia at the outset, so as NOT to reward the 1% who are the only ones who can afford “collectors” items.

I hope someone gets to him in this regard so he can right this injustice and remove this black mark from his record. Release a flood of Amused to Death LPs NOW!!! Make those of us, who were left behind, tickled pink.
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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby blockdog » 23 Jun 2012 23:42

I don't think Rog can influence those decisions. If it were only that simple.
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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby chosenhandle » 25 Jun 2012 15:24

I have the Japanese first press CD and I have the Dutch vinyl. The CD is a reference CD for me. The vinyl is even better, but never leaves my house. I don't know if an original is worth the kind of money I see them selling for, but it really is quite impressive.

The reason they are so expensive is that very few were pressed and it is a great recording. Remember that it was done at a time when vinyl was in a death spiral. There are rumors swirling that Doug Sax is remastering all of Rogers releases which I would assume includes Amused. Let's hope Doug does a great job and all of us can enjoy it (asssuming the rumors are true).
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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby Audio_Man » 26 Jun 2012 21:08

The genuine original pressing is indeed fantastic sounding and very well pressed on virgin vinyl. I only came across a copy while browsing my local HMV. It was certainly not highly publicised and came out when vinyl was in rapid decline. I read a while back that all the Roger Waters albums were being remastered for vinyl by Doug Sax I think. So far these reissues have failed to appear. Never give up hope as The SH/KG 45 rpm Rumours took years to finaly appear.
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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby james73_2008 » 26 Jun 2012 22:33

I have this on 2LP - and I aint parting with it come hell or high water! 8)
It sounds absolutely superb, so I assume the original poster was sold a pup?

blockdog above mentioned that the spline is printed with "Amused To Death" in black
on black (shiny black on matte black) - so is the name and album title on the front.

Included inside is, basically, an LP-sized version of the CD booklet. On page
15, there's a message about the CD mastering that's been crudely blacked out.
Below that is a message in a different font about the LP mastering. Tried to get
a decent picture of it but it was tough with the lighting, but you get the idea.

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That's the booklet in the front of my LP cover, below.

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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby james73_2008 » 28 Jun 2012 19:12

james73_2008 wrote:Included inside is, basically, an LP-sized version of the CD booklet. On page
15, there's a message about the CD mastering that's been crudely blacked out.
Below that is a message in a different font about the LP mastering. Tried to get
a decent picture of it but it was tough with the lighting, but you get the idea.

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^Better quality shot added.


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Re: Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

Postby james73_2008 » 05 Jul 2012 02:03

Just to add this pic. This is, apparently, one of the fakes. You can see
the label is different. Also, my original pressing isn't 180gm, it's more
like about 140gm and quite bendy.

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