Tako wrote:JoeE SP9 wrote:Take a close look at the specs of any piece of gear from Pyle. If you want to see exaggeration.
Lighten up! Conservatively rating gear is no big deal and nothing new. I've seen manufacturers literature that actually states "This is the minimum...". Why do you have a problem with a manufacturer being conservative in their ratings? If you don't like the way some one rates their products you have the option of not buying them.
I must admit in my 44+ years of involvement in this passion you are the first person I've ever heard complain that a manufacturer under rates their gear. Sheesh! If only all products actually gave you more than they advertised.
Joe SP9 Again I get the idea you did not even read my previous posts: I allready stated that technically (and to me personally) it is not a big deal. There's nothing to "sheesh' about and I am not complaining about anything.
It's pretty much impossible to talk to you if you are not going to read what I write, but I'll try one more time:
Someone earlyer in the topic mentioned something about manufacturers rating their stuff conservatively as opposed to some other brands that exxagerate their specs. This was said like the former is something praise-worthy, and the latter some sort of deception. I was merely pointing out that since a large portion of audiophiles believe that an amplifier that doubles it's output power into 8 ohm is better than one that doesn't, "conservative specs" can be just as deceptive as exaggerated specs. (Particularly if ONLY the 8 ohm spec is conservative)
Whenever you buy something, ANYTHING, chances are you are getting deceived, probably not lied to, manufacturers are careful not to break the laws (That's why I believe exaggerated specs are much rarer than the audiophile community sometimes makes it out to be, I've never heard of Pyle, it is probably not being sold in the EU if they really overspec their stuff).
Special Yoghurt that stimulates your bowels? A pack of sigaretes also stimulates my bowels, that doesn't mean it's healthy!
Infant milk that stimluates the immmune system in a natural way? A jar of mayonayse will also stimulate an infant's immune system in a natural way!
Lemonade with 10 times more vitamin C than an orange? Cool, to bad an orange contains all the vitamin C a body needs every day, and we can't store it.
And have you ever met a woman above 20 years old that does not use some sort of "anti ageing cream"? Ask ANY dermatologyst and he'll tell you the same thing: There is no such thing as anti ageing cream!
Or how about the contrast ratio's on Flatscreen TV's? 400.000:1? 1000000:1? Under what conditions? Maufacturers consistently pick a way of measuring them that makes the figure end up as high as possible.
These deceptions are so incredibly widespread that the idea that a group of manufacturers does not practice them because they build cool audio gear is preposterous. Again: These are the same brands that want to make us believe that that 2cm thick massive alluminium front panel is necessary to combat vibrations (Which affect an amplifier's sound in what way exactly?) They are also the same brands that proudly advertise using special "for audio" components (Which basically means: Bottom of the barrel quality, "for audio" just means it does not have to adhere to any standards) You'd have to be incredibly naive to think these are anything else than just another way to try and sell you a 500$ amplifier for 10.000$.
As long as there is NOT A SHRED of evidence that people can actually tell the difference between a 300$ Sony integrated and a 20k pre-power combo as long as they meet certain easy to reach standards. (Really, there isn't and there is pretty strong evidence to support the opposite), As long as double blind tests show again and again people can not hear the difference between a 70$ DVD player and a 10k Cd player, I am going to view any claim audio manufactures make in the most critical way possible. They are in the same league as the companies trying to sell your wife (and you, males also need ant ageing cream these days) an 80$ jar of scented grease.
You know there's one thing I really look forward to. That's a do gooder trying to tell me what's best for me and the rest of the world.
Stop thinking that you are the fount of all wisdom. You're not and nobody wants you telling them you are.
If you think cheap gear sounds as good as more expensive gear that's your business. There are many listeners who don't agree with this. We don't berate you for thinking cheap is good. Leave us alone to spend our money as we see fit.
Frankly it's none of your business.
BTW: I went back and re-read all your posts several times. I disagree with you on just about every point you make. As a manufacturer I have the right to rate my product in any way I want as long as it's truthful. If I wish to say my amp produces "x" watts at 8 Ohms and it produces more so what! It should only be a problem when it produces less than "x".
When I was working as an engineer every amplifier I measured on the bench produced more power at 8 Ohms than advertised. I never once considered it specmanship mostly because the ones that advertised "double down" power actually produced "double down" power equal to twice their actual 8 Ohm output. The $300 sony integrated won't do that, however a $3000 krell will.