Bonded or nude..

[goatbreath]

Does anyone know if the last of the Mexican Shure M75 ED T2 Styli were bonded or nude..I know ED denotes nude...But that means nothing since these days..Also how long does it take for the suspension to dry up and get hard..???

[goatbreath]

HMM !!! No answers,,do I take my chance for what will end up being £60.00

[thommo_work]

tbh, unless you were specifically after a Shure elliptical, I'd be inclined to spend a little more and get a SAS for it.

[goatbreath]

I'm after a Shure elliptical..I have a SAS on my V15 III...Maybe it is nostalgia,,but I'm looking for that old M75/91 ed sound I used to have..

[flavio81]

Does anyone know if the last of the Mexican Shure M75 ED T2 Styli were bonded or nude..I know ED denotes nude...But that means nothing since these days..Also how long does it take for the suspension to dry up and get hard..???

I used to think that nude vs bonded made all the difference in the world, but now i understand that the cantilever (and magnet) are the two things that contribute the most mass in the Shure MM system.

The N75ED2 stylus had a very thin and light cantilever, just check if the Mexican one has the same cant...

[goatbreath]

I don't think it does Flavio..I know they changed the M91ed also..

[Bran Kulez]

I have both USA and Mexico made N91ED's, the US has a thinner cantilever with a nude tip, Mexico has thicker cantilever and bonded tip.

[goatbreath]

OK thanks for that...

[dlaloum]

One aside - in theory, a larger diameter cantilever with thinner walls will be lighter and more rigid than a smaller diameter with thicker walls...

The best Stantons had quite large diameter cantilevers - but they were very light and rigid...

[Ldg]

One aside - in theory, a larger diameter cantilever with thinner walls will be lighter and more rigid than a smaller diameter with thicker walls...

Almost, DL.......for the same mass, a larger diameter with thinner walls will be more transversely rigid. There are other constraints as to how thin one can go, of course.

The best Stantons had quite large diameter cantilevers - but they were very light and rigid...

It's supposition that they were light and rigid, surely? All one really knows is some had relatively large diameters and it did not seem to upset performance......

[ripblade]

As a general rule, I find that as one moves up a product line, the thinner and more exotic the cantilever materials become. There are exceptions, of course.

I personally have not noticed a difference between nude or bonded, but I haven't been able to compare within the same cartridge. The only bonded tip I have in my collection (AT 125LC) is also one of the best trackers. The cantilever is a very slender, tapered aluminum tube.

As usual, implementation is everything.

[goatbreath]

I noticed a difference between the M 91e and M91ed styli,,but the M91ed styli were probably still nude at that point..I know the 91e was bonded,,I think that was the only difference,,I may be wrong there though..

[lini]

rb: One has to consider that the ATN125LC already is titanium bonded, though - so in terms of contribution to equivalent tip mass it's much closer to a nude diamond than standard stainless steel or brass bonding. But of course the cantilever will be dominant in that regard anyway...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

[dlaloum]

The best Stantons had quite large diameter cantilevers - but they were very light and rigid...

It's supposition that they were light and rigid, surely? All one really knows is some had relatively large diameters and it did not seem to upset performance......

Well yes - but in addition I have measured the first resonance at 19kHz+ which appears to indicate low mass and high rigidity...