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Postby ripblade » 12 Oct 2011 02:48

Sandbah 92 wrote:Any tips/suggestions for using this method without an old TT to spin it on? Certainly not going to use my Rega or Technics!
If an old record player is unavailable, try a lazy susan or something similar. It really is much easier to do when the record can be turned.

Turning the platter, I lay a spiral bead down then squeegee it out with my index finger, beginning from the middle of the playing surface to the inner and outer edges, leaving a fat, clean buildup at the edges. It's much easier to remove when the edges are cleanly defined, with no feathering.
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PVA glue

Postby k12pfc » 30 Apr 2012 12:43

Ok, ignore my ignorance as I'm sure this must have been covered before, I found this on youtube http://youtu.be/_gyvipBs6Vs and thought I'd try it on a couple of older singles, I was totally amazed it works and the results were brilliant, so impressed, what do others think dare I ask?
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Re: PVA glue

Postby Hermionediamond » 30 Apr 2012 14:41

Yes, I use this method occasionally. It has worked well for me! I recently bought a new copy of PJ Harvey's Let England Shake and when I removed the vinyl from the sleeve it was filthy! I used the brush which removed the fluff but it did not remove the grime. The disc came in a heavy weight card sleeve which is a tight fit and seemed to scuff the vinyl every time it was removed or replaced. I used the PVA method and the vinyl now gleams pristine and sounds lovely. I now keep the vinyl in a poly-lined sleeve.
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Best PVA glue??

Postby triphop » 08 May 2012 18:24

I use MFSL sleeves and am just experimenting with PVA glue. It feels like the Three Bears story... I tried Titebond type 1 wood glue and it was hard to peel being too thin. It left a residue... saw a comment online that said to never use type I and only to use type II or III so I bought some III to re-glue and peel, hopefully removing the residue. MUCH better peel (if not too tight), but still have a new residue from the new peel. Maybe type II will be "just right..."

I'm still a novice at this so I'm still trying. I haven't perfected keeping the glue off the label nor determining if I should cover the lead in. Peeling the record edge was a pain- multiple bits. Is it best to peel from label out or lead in to center? I've heard that Titebond makes one called "Extend"- takes longer to dry but reportedly either self-peels or at least makes for an incredibly easy peel. Anyone try Gorilla glue or other brands and can suggest the best based on cost, effectiveness, and ease?
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Re: PVA glue

Postby Hermionediamond » 08 May 2012 21:08

I'm using Homebase own brand general purpose woodglue. No residue, easy to peel (usually comes off as a whole disc) and great results. I peel from the outer edge. I've not tried any other glue. Maybe I just got lucky with my selection.
Just this weekend I acquired a first pressing of the eponymous Wishbone Ash dated 1970 which had nasty sticky fingerprints on the vinyl. After the wood glue treatment the vinyl looks mint and plays wonderfully well.
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Re: PVA glue

Postby triphop » 09 May 2012 10:25

"Homebase" I've never tried; haven't heard of it. Sounds great though- where can one find this?
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Re: PVA glue

Postby Hermionediamond » 09 May 2012 12:01

Homebase is UK DIY store. Sorry, I should have pointed this out!
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Re: PVA glue

Postby Alec124c41 » 10 May 2012 02:55

Do a site search on PVA glue to find previous threads. And remember it must be PVA. What I have seen with the Gorilla name is far from PVA.

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WOOD GLUE- new technique for residue and idea for shortcut

Postby triphop » 10 May 2012 05:06

I am finally getting good at my wood glue technique and have the accuracy to get the lead in and lead outs perfect and to stop on a dime before the label.

My first trials nearly made me think it wasn't worth the time and hassle. Still, I did discover some things that others may want to try:

1. If you fail and leave "too thin to peel" residue portions, you COULD reglue and start again, but if too minor a tiny spot to be worthwhile, try rinsing the glue spots with COLD COLD water: it REALLY made it peel easier. If on the lead out, you may now want to try the Jerry Seinfeld definition of dry cleaning... scrape it off with your fingernail. :)

2. Combining glue- I posted in another thread a "Three Bears" story- that I bought Titebond I which was too thin (leaving residue), then I bought Titebond III which works but is a maybe too strong peel (and not as cost effective). So as not to waste the type I, start with it, then add type III and business card it all flat... maybe I esssentually made Titebond II.

My process: I rested records on drinking glasses laid out an old towel (to catch any drips) that were drying glue on the face up side. When they were dry enough to flip without dripping, I put a shaped piece of wax paper over my rubber mat and glued side 2; I have several drying at the same time on the drinking glasses with both sides glued.

Now for a question/theory- Has anyone tried this time saver: Placing a record on TOP of a freshly glued record in waiting to sandwich them (like an Oreo, haha!)? If lined up perfectly, and the glue was thick enough, could one later peel two records at the same time or is one asking for endless small peels? Would faster drying time exist in some way by having a record on top?
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Re: WOOD GLUE- new technique for residue and idea for shortc

Postby LousyTourist » 10 May 2012 12:34

the answer is that records are made so that when stacked, the grooves do not touch... the label and the perimeter are thicker than the groove area. You'd need a LOT of glue to overcome this difference. Plus, net result is saving only ONE side from needing to be glued and only on the 'inside' records ... so in my completely in-the-head thought experiment, I don't think it's gonna be worth it.
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Re: WOOD GLUE- new technique for residue and idea for shortc

Postby Alec124c41 » 11 May 2012 06:24

The glue inside the sandwich will not dry. If it did, you would not be able to separate the records.

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Re: WOOD GLUE- new technique for residue and idea for shortc

Postby triphop » 11 May 2012 11:24

I figured as much on the drying aspect but good to know on the non touching grooves when stacked.. not going to try it. :)

Do try the cold cold water trick if you ever get in a bind..
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Re: WOOD GLUE- new technique for residue and idea for shortc

Postby Alec124c41 » 12 May 2012 04:01

Drop a strip of paper on one or two edges to give you a handle to start the peel.

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Re: PVA glue

Postby k12pfc » 17 May 2012 19:28

I'm having really great results, I now do this treatment as a matter of course every time I buy an album, few things to remember, apply plenty and spread it out using a credit card type implement, cover the whole album, (excluding labels) and very important let it dry, this takes at least 12 hours depending on temperature, you'll know its dry because you won't be able to see it very clearly. I've even tried playing the pva after peeling.....it don't work, though it looks like it should!!! Have fun.
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