What does the "CS" designation mean?

[drip.feed]

Hi all

I have just bought a Dual 506 off eBay and, despite being a 45-year-old man of the world, I'm beside myself with excitement (it hasn't arrived yet).

Whilst checking out all I could about this deck I wondered what, if any, differences there were between the 506 and the CS 506-1 ? Or are they the same thing? This site seems to suggest that they are two different machines.

Thanks

[akb778]

The 506 and CS 506-1 are pretty much the same exact thing. The "CS" stands for "Complete System" - that means the turntable comes assembled in a base from the factory.

[drip.feed]

The 506 and CS 506-1 are pretty much the same exact thing. The "CS" stands for "Complete System" - that means the turntable comes assembled in a base from the factory.

Ah. Thanks for that.

[Doug G.]

Oh, I thought it meant, "Cute Series"



Doug

[dualref]

I have found that the definition of CS changes depending on what vintage Dual you have. The 1200 series used CS as Complete System for those and some others. But the later CS series just had CS in the name.
I always look at the top plate to see what model it is. For example, a 1245 is a 1245. But the label on back may say "CS 1245", but will still say 1245 on the top plate.

[flavio81]

The 506 and CS 506-1 are pretty much the same exact thing. The "CS" stands for "Complete System" - that means the turntable comes assembled in a base from the factory.

And thus one of the most obscure secrets on the Turntable Realm was reveal'd upon my eyes...

Thanks!

[drip.feed]

The 506 and CS 506-1 are pretty much the same exact thing.

I have done a bit of reading around and it turns out that the 506 and 506-1 platters are different (the 506-1 has a lighter platter) and they take different belt sizes. The 506 belt is much longer than the 506-1, so double-check people!

[lini]

First of all, no, CS doesn't stand for "complete system", but for "Componente Schallplattenspieler" (though it indeed means a complete Dual turntable including original Dual hood and plinth) - just like CT, CV and CL stand for "Componente Tuner", "Componente Verstärker" and "Componente Lautsprecher". That difference usually doesn't really matter, though - so the "CS" is usually dropped for convenience, especially as most of the later Dual turntable chassis weren't available without plinth and hood anymore anyway...

Well, and as for the 506 compared to the 506-1: Main differences are that the 506 has still got the older 8-pole motor and 1st generation proprietary ULM mount (cart prefix ULM), while the 506-1 has got the newer 16-pole motor and 2nd generation proprietary ULM mount (cart prefix TKS). Platters should be 1.1 kg in either case, though.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

[thumpin]

First of all, no, CS doesn't stand for "complete system", but for "Componente Schallplattenspieler" (though it indeed means a complete Dual turntable including original Dual hood and plinth) - just like CT, CV and CL stand for "Componente Tuner", "Componente Verstärker" and "Componente Lautsprecher". That difference usually doesn't really matter, though - so the "CS" is usually dropped for convenience, especially as most of the later Dual turntable chassis weren't available without plinth and hood anymore anyway...

Well, and as for the 506 compared to the 506-1: Main differences are that the 506 has still got the older 8-pole motor and 1st generation proprietary ULM mount (cart prefix ULM), while the 506-1 has got the newer 16-pole motor and 2nd generation proprietary ULM mount (cart prefix TKS). Platters should be 1.1 kg in either case, though.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

Gold...

[steely]

Interesting thread. I have an original "CS510" and always thought the "CS" designation had to do with the fact that it was distributed in the U.S. for the North American market by United Audio of Mount Vernon, NY. My printed "CS510" instruction manual is slightly different than the "510" manual available on VinylEngine.

[gg383]

Upload it to the library if you can. I'm sure there's more than a few of us that would like to check it out. Glenn.

[drip.feed]

Thanks all.

My 506 now all set up, with a new belt and a new stylus for the Ortofon 20E cartridge that some kind soul thoughtfully fitted to it in the dim and distant past. Even that was perfectly aligned.

I christened it with a brand new, 180g, 2009 re-issue of Kraftwerk's Man Machine, an album I hadn't heard since way back in 1980-ish. Guys, what can I say? It sounds sublime. It almost brought a lump to my throat.

£10.50 for a Dual turntable has got to be the best money I have ever spent on eBay.

[dtainer]

I have your same turntable, though I got it for less still (viewtopic.php?f=37&t=44573 for story) and do love it. More interesting to me is the new 180g reissue series "Man Machine"--I am totally loving these new reissues. I'm not the type to go crazy over a reissue of a record that I already own the original release of, but I only bought it because my original had a very annoying scratch that is heard throughout side 2. I saw it at the store, and thought, "why not, let's give it a try..."

It was so fantastic I am now buying ALL of the reissues of the Kraftwerk catalog even though I have every original disk except for Trans Europa Express.

Enjoy your new Dual--mine is now my office turntable!

[drip.feed]

I have your same turntable, though I got it for less still (viewtopic.php?f=37&t=44573 for story) and do love it.

That's a great story! What a fab find.

I am now buying ALL of the reissues of the Kraftwerk catalog even though I have every original disk except for Trans Europa Express.

Man, that sounds fantastic. My next Kraftwerk disc is going to be Computer Love. I have a couple of 180g discs now and they sound utterly brilliant. I don't know if the 180g plastic makes the difference or the fact that I'm hearing records played on a decent turntable/cartridge combo for the first time, but I'm loving it nonetheless. So is my 20-year-old daughter who bought an eBay Sony turntable and is killing my old Fleetwood Mac album!

Enjoy your new Dual--mine is now my office turntable!

Your office turntable?? You play records in your office? What cool job do you have?