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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby sagas » 08 Mar 2012 03:01

For low level listening in my bedroom I use a pair of restored small Advents pushed by a Sansui AU-4900. They don't require a lot of power and for me they provide good spacial detail at low volume or, if I feel like it, I can rock the bed (I usually don't). As for the majority of smaller speakers, they always seem to lack a spacial quality (high, mid or low) when driven at low levels, in my experience.

In the end it will most likely boil down to size, budget, what compromises in terms of sound you are prepared to make and what your ears tell you are right.

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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby awkwardbydesign » 08 Mar 2012 18:10

Consider the preamp; I use a Promitheus TVC ( a passive transformer volume control), which sounds better at low levels than many active preamps. No mains hash, as it is passive.
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby Ldg » 09 Mar 2012 01:06

awkwardbydesign wrote:Consider the preamp; I use a Promitheus TVC ( a passive transformer volume control), which sounds better at low levels than many active preamps. No mains hash, as it is passive.


OK, I think i can just about imagine what that might be. But how/why might that be advantaged versus conventional level control ? I can immediately think of disadgantages. And surely the manner of level control is not the issue here. Level is ultimately level, all the action happens at the speakers/room/distance interaction, SPL and all that........
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby awkwardbydesign » 09 Mar 2012 22:04

ld wrote:
awkwardbydesign wrote: Level is ultimately level, all the action happens at the speakers/room/distance interaction, SPL and all that........

Incorrect.
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby duficity » 10 Mar 2012 01:31

Average level may be the same, but dynamics could be considerably different, and thats what I think seperates the good sounding low level speakers from the average. What seems to get lost at low levels is the relative punch to the music, maybe because the lowest levels are obscured completely.
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby Ldg » 10 Mar 2012 01:49

Presumably, the main reason one compromises listening SPL (level) at night is to avoid annoying spill. But, because of the way we hear, the whole experience changes as soon as we compromise SPL. Nearfield preserves listening SPL, but minimises spill. Anything else is faking it, really. Get close and personal :)
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby steve195527 » 10 Mar 2012 23:03

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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby Purnendu » 25 Mar 2012 08:10

Hi,
This may not be particularly helpful to the OP, but a great source can make a considerable difference to the way detail and ambience are presented at low levels. I spent much of last week listening to an Ayon cd2s in my system, and much of it at night at low levels. although high level blasting also improves with the source, but the Ayon really won me over with the way I could listen to music a little less loudly than is otherwise my wont. Ofcourse this is true only upto a point, there is really no way I know of listening to Bruckner anything but loudly :lol:
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby duficity » 26 Mar 2012 18:03

Ok, I got a Musical Fidelity Nuvista M3 integrated amp, PSB Synchrony One speakers and Transrotor Fat Bob, Audiomods IV tonearm and Lyra Delos cartridge put together for my living room system.It sounds wonderful overall, but also even at low levels, with decent dynamics and openness. I think this will work.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby Larry I » 28 Mar 2012 23:06

It is somewhat hard to get specific recommendations without knowing a whole lot of relevant considerations, such as price range, room placement limitations, size limitations, associated equipment, etc.

Generally speaking, the speakers that seem to lose the least, in terms of dynamics, when listening at lower levels are horn systems. But, these also tend to be big in size. The high efficiency of most horn systems also enables one to use lower-powered amps, which are also particularly good at sounding clear and punchy at lower levels. Some single driver systems are also quite good at lower level dynamics, but, many have tonal balances that are not to most listener's taste, and the better systems are VERY expensive (e.g., Feastrix drivers, Voxative speaker system).

Electrostatic systems can also sound quite good at lower volume levels. In addition, the dipole radiation pattern allows them to be played at subjectively higher volume levels without being as annoying to those not in the primary listening area. This is because of several factors. First, most have a somewhat narrow dispersion pattern. Second, the large panels tend to have a slower fall-off of volume with distance from the speaker. But most importantly, the dipole radiation means that the front and back soundwaves are out of phase with each other and they cancel to the side of the speaker. When I changed from electrostatic speakers to a dynamic system, I found that there was MUCH more sound "leaking" to other rooms.

One more general observation. Human hearing has different subjective frequency response at varying volume. At lower volume bass has to be boosted in level to sound subjectively as loud as mid frequencies; treble has to be boosted too, but not by as much. In the past, most receivers and amplifiers had a "loudness" control that altered frequency response for different volume settings. That would help to restore natural tonal balance, though dynamics would probably not be helped.

Not knowing your other requirements, I offer the following brand/models as sounding good to me at lower volume: Reference 3a speakers (all models); Trenner & Friedl Art and Dizzy model; DeVore speakers; Totem speakers; Harbeth speakers, Spendor classic line speakers; Quad (electrostatic and dynamic speakers); and Synthesis Debut model.
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby audiojan » 03 Apr 2012 14:08

Here's what I would recommend. Get yourself a pair of smaller, easy to drive speakers (i.e. not high efficiency, but very easy load, so 8 ohm nominal with minimum deviation from this) and a low watt tube amp. Will sound amazing at lower volumes.

I have a second system in my ski lodge with a 6.5W tube integrated (Musical Paradise MP-301 mk2) and a pair of hand built speakers (8 ohm nominal, 7.2 ohm min. and 91dB/W efficient). The "inner tone" is just amazing. Love to listen to these are very low volumes (i.e. "so you can have a conversation right next to them" low..). Headphones would be a great option as well
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby awkwardbydesign » 03 Apr 2012 18:39

audiojan wrote:I have a second system in my ski lodge
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby audiojan » 03 Apr 2012 20:41

Ok, that sounded a whole lot more than it is... the ski lodge is a studio condo (it is right by the mountain though, and we do use this for a whole lot more than downhill skiing... in the winter, cross-country, snow shoeing, hiking... the rest of the year, biking, hiking, etc.). It's a very small place though...

... and the second system consist of a pair of speakers that I bought many, many years ago (actually part of my college system... yes had that!), an older CD player (Rotel RCD-971) and an integrated tube amp (Musical Paradise MP-301 which is about $300 shipped...). I.e. something very modest, but sounds great in a small space and low volumes.
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Re: low level listening speakers

Postby awkwardbydesign » 04 Apr 2012 17:08

audiojan wrote:I have a second system

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