SAE 1000LT v Ortofon 2M Black

by **watercourse** » 10 Jan 2012 20:56

watercourse wrote:
So maybe I'll give some info to the OP that might be helpful instead of theorizing about other matters not germane to the original question.

Geez, looking back at the OP's question, maybe my post wasn't germane either if there is no interest other than between the SAE and the Ortofon! Sorry if this discussion has gone out of control...

pivot wrote:I was not implying that what "could be going on" was definately the case in your experiance, just adding a "caveat emptor" caution. Sometimes a little well placed cynicism can serve a consumer well in the free market.

Please come forward with more suggestions for us, much appreciated!

by **bacobits** » 10 Jan 2012 21:23

Benz Micro Glider II or an AT OC9 MkII both will get beat by the SAE lt.
Had those, they both sounded more to the digital side of my system at the time. I was using an EE Mini Max Phono not too shabby of a piece.
I will add JMHO of course it protects my ars. :mrgreen:

It always comes down to if you don't like SELL!

by **bauzace50** » 10 Jan 2012 23:37

Hi,
this beats the guts out of the OC9 and Benz. It will rot your socks without even touching them! Will leave you breathless!

These refer to your own feelings, but do not describe the SAE. What are the characteristics you are plugging? Care to give some description for possible purchasing candidates? It is useless to read that this "beats the OC9 and the Benz". It's like "trust me I'm a doctor". You are not buying the ones disliked by misled purchasers, but are inducing other to "buy" your judgement.
Regards,
bauzace50

by **RP3user** » 11 Jan 2012 00:04

watercourse wrote:
Geez, looking back at the OP's question, maybe my post wasn't germane either if there is no interest other than between the SAE and the Ortofon! Sorry if this discussion has gone out of control...

Out of control........... no not at all. I have been following the replies to my original post with great interest and have deliberately stayed away until now just to see how it develops. My thanks to everyone, and I mean everyone who has taken the time and trouble to post here. I have only been back into vinyl for a short while and still have much to learn. Maybe there is life beyond the 2M Black, it certainly seems so judging by the posts here. The Dynavector DV20X2 is just on the outer reaches of my budget but would prefer to spend less if I can get away with it. Watercourse I look forward to your comparison between the SAE and DV with interest. But don't leave it too long .....please.

Thanks again everyone for your replies.

Graham

by **watercourse** » 11 Jan 2012 00:43

Well, in that case, you may be able to find the 20xl or 20xh for cheaper than the 2M Black since the 20x2 has recently replaced the older models. For instance, the dealer I was speaking about that did the comparison (Eugene Hi-Fi) is selling the 20xl for $600. You may find a local source that has discounted 20xl's in stock and save some cash.

by **bacobits** » 11 Jan 2012 15:17

Re: SAE 1000LT v Ortofon 2M Black

Postby bauzace50 » 10 Jan 2012 17:37
Hi,
this beats the guts out of the OC9 and Benz. It will rot your socks without even touching them! Will leave you breathless!

These refer to your own feelings, but do not describe the SAE. What are the characteristics you are plugging? Care to give some description for possible purchasing candidates? It is useless to read that this "beats the OC9 and the Benz". It's like "trust me I'm a doctor". You are not buying the ones disliked by misled purchasers, but are inducing other to "buy" your judgement.
Regards,
bauzace50

Hey, buy what you want. To each his own.
My description was they both sound more digital. You want your analog to sound digital OK. Do a search, there are more than a few other descriptions out there. Go to Audio C-I-R-C-L-E or in the Rega section below. I took a chance buying it and I went back for a second one. Sold my 103R.
I would rather spend $200 compared to $699 for instance what NeedleDoctor charges. I don't ever shop there anyway.
I have had more than 3 other Ortofon cartridges in the past they were all good and I still own an X5MC.
$200 is pretty cheap for a cartridge of this caliber. I don't usually make mistakes. Some idiot is selling a BN Shure V15vme on E bay for $800!!!
Sorry for the rant.

by **dlaloum** » 11 Jan 2012 23:40

bacobits wrote:Some idiot is selling a BN Shure V15vme on E bay for $800!!!
Sorry for the rant.

If he gets that $800 - he will have thoroughly demonstrated that he is no idiot!!

The same cannot necessarily be said for the buyer...

But then sometimes there are extenuating circumstances - like the family of one guy who remembered his first car (an Austin) with great fondness, so they found one, and had it restored to as new condition as a gift...
The result was that it cost them much much more than a vastly superior modern car - but he loved it...

by **Etnier** » 14 Mar 2012 14:21

If anyone's interested, my SAE 1000E is for sale, brand-new, for USA buyers.
See listing here at VinylEngine:
http://tinyurl.com/7nbjve9

by **Blueguitar** » 18 Mar 2012 16:09

I just replaced my Ortofon 2m Black with the SAE 100LT today. Used a Mint Protractor and took my time. Only 3 records in and it seems to be an improvement, especially in treble resolution. I'll do more serious listening tonight after playing a few more records.

So, how long long can this old cartridge last?

by **madog99** » 18 Mar 2012 18:59

I would say the SAE takes at least 15-20 hours to start to open up , I found mine pretty bright at first and was some what worried , but I now have 2 tables running them .

by **RP3user** » 18 Mar 2012 20:52

madog99 wrote:I would say the SAE takes at least 15-20 hours to start to open up , I found mine pretty bright at first and was some what worried , but I now have 2 tables running them .

Yes, I would agree with that.

G

by **Russellc** » 24 Mar 2012 20:01

I found mine improved greatly in the first 20 hours or so. It seems to sound better and better every day. It has been well documented in several forums with numerous buyers with no age related issues. In fact, I want another!

Not familiar with the particular Ortofon cart here, but it easily beats out my Shure V15Vxmr in every regard, bass treble, transparency etc. These carts and their original stylus (Shure) go for stupid big money on auction sites, at 199.99 the SAE is a no brainer, assuming arm and so forth are compatible.

Russellc

by **Russellc** » 01 Apr 2012 02:20

So what did you do?

Russellc

by **steve195527** » 01 Apr 2012 20:53

Id like to know any dealers where you can compare expensive cartridges nowadays:-used to be able to do years back but nobody seems to more than one ever set-up for folk to listen to now,and that only in very specialist shops