Snake Oil Product of the Year Awards

[steve195527]

how about a nice "cheap" set of speaker cables!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIT-ORACLE-V2 ... 1e6a3ddb83

[JaS]

What a cable!

It's not just wide, it's ultra wide
It's not just neutral, it's completely neutral
It's not just fast, it's scarily fast

'The sense of reality and being there is palpable'

Up for sale as the guys ticker couldn't take all the excitement

Regards,
JaS

[Dr Pan K]

steve, that aint expensive... check out these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nordost-Valha ... 3370a01086

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WESTLAKE-AUDI ... 45f94f2abb


and even these are not that expensive if u consider gold speakers !!!

http://www.shapeaudio.com/ they come at aprox 7 M USD. (yes i said 7.000.000 US dollars)

[Dr Pan K]

and to stay on the vinyl subject this is the list of THE most expensive TTs out there

http://www.higherfi.com/ttlist/ttlist.htm

[Mark E Smith's Dentist]

and to stay on the vinyl subject this is the list of THE most expensive TTs out there

http://www.higherfi.com/ttlist/ttlist.htm

...and what cartridge do they put on this USD650K turntable?

A Shure V-15III!


JT

[steve195527]

steve, that aint expensive... check out these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nordost-Valha ... 3370a01086

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WESTLAKE-AUDI ... 45f94f2abb


and even these are not that expensive if u consider gold speakers !!!

http://www.shapeaudio.com/ they come at aprox 7 M USD. (yes i said 7.000.000 US dollars)

but they are 2nd hand,on the MIT site they are listed at $10K+

[Dr Pan K]

heheehe 10K is rubbish compared to 7M speakers...

my entire system costs much less than 10 K and i consider it pretty good...

[satanfriendly]

http://www.higherfi.com/ttlist/ttlist.htm

And just look at the size of those USB ports on the front. They are serious

[pivot]

I have trouble with some of what ends up being called "snake oil".

Is a super expensive, wildly over-enginered, stunningly complex turntable really "snake oil"?

Compared to a glow in the dark plastic sea shell or a meter of wire that costs $10k or, my personal favorite, a phone call in the night that makes one's Hi Fi have Higher and more Fi, a super kilo-buck turntable is at least a product that has to be engineered, built, packed and shipped.

In autos it is like the Bugatti Veyron, silly expensive but impressive technology. I am entertained that it exists but even if I could afford one I'd still probably own a Jeep.

[flavio81]

and to stay on the vinyl subject this is the list of THE most expensive TTs out there

http://www.higherfi.com/ttlist/ttlist.htm

At that price i'd better buy a state-of-the-art Neumann cutting lathe. Two of them.

[flavio81]

I have trouble with some of what ends up being called "snake oil".

Is a super expensive, wildly over-enginered, stunningly complex turntable really "snake oil"?

Not all super expensive TTs are really "over-engineered". Some of them are just looks and mass, no real revolutionary or fancy engineering involved.

I can grab two Rega P3 turntables, replace the base for a 30Kg marble base, add some fancy gold plates, mount the two motors around a gold-plated subplatter, add a 10Kg matte acrylic platter on top, add a SME V tonearm and sell all for a huge amount of money.

Will it sound well? Probably!! Is it complex? No. Over-engineered? No. Innovative? Hell no! Really superior to a well-mounted EMT studio turntable? No!!

[pivot]

Not all super expensive TTs are really "over-engineered". Some of them are just looks and mass, no real revolutionary or fancy engineering involved.

...but is it "snake oil" on the level of Peter Belt's bits of mylar foil with a ground wires on them or anybodies "magic dots" or strange phone calls in the night from Machina Dynamica?

http://machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

Like phone sex - all marketing, no product.

[Dr Pan K]

the original snake oil is the magic tibetan bells that make y system sound better or some cosmic energy device that projects astral energy fields...

the specific 650K TT is pure rubbish, because the technology involved is just about the same with any decent TT.

even teragaki charges less for his prototype TTs and at least he has some truly innovative designs executed in state of the art quality

[flavio81]

Like phone sex - all marketing, no product.

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