Debut 3 Esprit + Ortofon 2M Blue

[sergio_oliva]

Hi

I have replaced stock OM 5E with 2M Blue on my Debut 3 Esprit (Also I'm using speed box 2 SE, acryl platter, phono box 2). I can't understand I think sound is being worse. Totally it's more detailed and clean but bass is poor. Where the bass? It plays about 8 hours.

Is it some problems with tracking? Look photo bellow please.

Point 1 (inner)


Point 1 top


Point 2


Point 2 top

[frenchmon]

What speakers are you using....do you have stock phono cable...how long have you had the 2M Blue?

[sergio_oliva]

What speakers are you using....do you have stock phono cable...how long have you had the 2M Blue?

My conf:

1. Speakers - ProAc Response 2.5 clone
2. Amp - music hall 25.2
3. Pre Amp - Pro-ject Phono Box 2
4. Pro-ject Speed Box 2 SE
5. Interconnect between Pre Amp and Amp - Chord Silver Plus
6. Interconnect between turntable and Pre-Amp (Phono cable?) - stock, can't be changed
7. Cable between speakers and amp - Chord Carnival Plus

I have 2m about 1 week and I play it about 8 hours

[kalypso]

Check wiring at the cartridge. Maybe wires are inverted. Follow the color code on the cartridge ande you should be right.

regards kalypso

[sergio_oliva]

Wiring is ok

[moon unit]

The bass will fill out over time.

Read this on "The Apple Chap Blog," you can go straight to the section regarding the 2M Blue: http://www.theapplechap.com/TheAppleCha ... _Blue.html

[sergio_oliva]

I have found something. Input inductance in PhonoBox = 120pF. 2m blue recommended inductance loading = 150-300pF.

Can balance move to bright side (poor bass and bright treble) in this case?

[banerjba]

I run a Blue on my 2Xperience. The cart has a lot more treble detail which is too bright from my Technics1200 or Rega p5. I prefer the Red stylus which has a more normal balance and deep bass. On my Project 2Xperience though the Blue works great. Must be the better arm. My guess is that the steel arm on your table is not a great match. A Red stylus will sound better IMO. My Debut has Acry It, Speedbox as well. Btw i assume you got the heavier counterweight when you swapped carts. Otherwise the Blue will not work properly.

[moon unit]

I have found something. Input inductance in PhonoBox = 120pF. 2m blue recommended inductance loading = 150-300pF.

Can balance move to bright side (poor bass and bright treble) in this case?

When you add the loading of the phono cables you are well into range. Have you tried upping the tracking force close to the mazimum recommended?

Have never heard the 2M Blue, but have read opinions that it tends towards the bright side as banerjba stated above.

[Henley]

Hi Sergio, can you please take a photo from the side of the tone arm with the stylus sitting still on a record?

[frenchmon]

Well the Blue needs some time to break in. I ran my Red on a 2.1 and had lot of bright detail. I continued to run it and after about 50 hours it started to settle down. Give it some time and it should settle.

[Henley]

Well the Blue needs some time to break in. I ran my Red on a 2.1 and had lot of bright detail. I continued to run it and after about 50 hours it started to settle down. Give it some time and it should settle.

Running in will give more agility, less harshness and a tighter bass but I think the problem here may be geometry (hence asking for the last photo).

[sergio_oliva]

Hi all! Many thanks for yours answers friends! I have one good news and two bad

Good:
I'm having more bass after 30 hours. I will be hope get it more after 50h

Bad 1:
Treble is more sweet now but it stay on bright side

Bad 2:
When I changed track angle I have broke screw thread of mounting in 2m blue. Don't know what to do now...

I run a Blue on my 2Xperience. The cart has a lot more treble detail which is too bright from my Technics1200 or Rega p5. I prefer the Red stylus which has a more normal balance and deep bass. On my Project 2Xperience though the Blue works great. Must be the better arm. My guess is that the steel arm on your table is not a great match. A Red stylus will sound better IMO. My Debut has Acry It, Speedbox as well. Btw i assume you got the heavier counterweight when you swapped carts. Otherwise the Blue will not work properly.

Is steel (aluminium) arm so critical?

The bass will fill out over time.

Read this on "The Apple Chap Blog," you can go straight to the section regarding the 2M Blue: http://www.theapplechap.com/TheAppleCha ... _Blue.html

Thanks. It is very interesting for me. I have played about 30 hours I think and I have really more bass now. Waiting for 50 hours

When you add the loading of the phono cables you are well into range. Have you tried upping the tracking force close to the mazimum recommended?

Yes I trying maximum force and I don't hear any deeply changes. I have question. How can I add loading? I should use any special devices (another than Phono stage with changeable inductance on 47KOm) or may be I should get solderer and do it myself? Could you take me any practice decision?

Hi Sergio, can you please take a photo from the side of the tone arm with the stylus sitting still on a record?

Here more photo.

Point 1 (closer to center)







Point 2






Arm

[Alec124c41]

It looks like it needs a slight twist clockwise (from top).

Cheers,
Alec