Shure SC35C... Highly recommended

[flavio81]

I still have two of these. One nos cartridge body with no stylus for it and the other doing duty to play my 78's. The one in the pic has been changed with a stiffer suspension and fitted with a conical diamond stylus.

Years ago when I played the cartridge with its original stylus, I never went near 5g - usually playing at 3.5g VTF.

When playing 78's with the modified stylus, I use 4.5g VTF

Perhaps your cartridge has a suspension which has hardened, requiring 5g?

Well perhaps you have the (better) original stylus, not the Mexican-Shure-era stylus. The cartridge works without problems at 4.0g VTF, however on some records the inner grooves are showing a bit of sibilance that is gone with 5.0g VTF. Hence my use of 5g.

I doubt the suspension has been hardened, TBH. The stylus is new and the stock was something like 2002 or 2004.

[Laudanum]

Thanks for the replies Flavio. I have no intention of using the Shure SC35C, it just brought up an intersting topic so I wanted to ask about the M44G.
You probably missed it so I'll ask again ... do you have any info and input on using the N55E stylus with the M44G ? I've seen some talk of it in the forums but didnt find much in depth information.

Regarding cleaning, I have and use a RCM on my Vinyl. I was just curious about record wear details you mentioned. I know that heavier tracking doesnt necessarily equate to more record wear depending on some factors. But 5 grams? That would make me uncomfortable and I was leary about the conclusions of the article/study that you mention. Just wanted to see if they were comparing apples to apples. I still wouldnt track at 5G but maybe that's just me.

Thanks

[dlaloum]

PS : Is it possible to mount the SC35 stylus on the M75 body (M75/6) ?
Hi

Hi,

I think it's not possible. And even if you could, the highs will be absent. The M75 is a high inductance cartridge that severely rolls off the highs. The styli for the M75/44/55 have a strong HF resonance, so both cancel out and you get (somewhat) flat response. I don't like that approach, btw. The cartridge of the SC35C, like modern Shure cartridges (i.e. V15, M97), don't have such strong rolloff.

Alternative: - Very low capacitance... say 60pf? balances out the high inductance...

[flavio81]

Thanks for the replies Flavio. I have no intention of using the Shure SC35C, it just brought up an intersting topic so I wanted to ask about the M44G.
You probably missed it so I'll ask again ... do you have any info and input on using the N55E stylus with the M44G ? I've seen some talk of it in the forums but didnt find much in depth information.

Sorry...

No reason it shouldn't work! The classic M44 and M55 cartridges are almost identical in shape, and they are identical inductance too.

[Laudanum]

Thanks Flavio, I may try it down the road.

[dlaloum]

Thanks for the replies Flavio. I have no intention of using the Shure SC35C, it just brought up an intersting topic so I wanted to ask about the M44G.
You probably missed it so I'll ask again ... do you have any info and input on using the N55E stylus with the M44G ? I've seen some talk of it in the forums but didnt find much in depth information.

Sorry...

No reason it shouldn't work! The classic M44 and M55 cartridges are almost identical in shape, and they are identical inductance too.

My M44-7 measures 740mH inductance... that does not seem to be the same as the 420mH you are quoting for the SC35C !?

[flavio81]

Thanks for the replies Flavio. I have no intention of using the Shure SC35C, it just brought up an intersting topic so I wanted to ask about the M44G.
You probably missed it so I'll ask again ... do you have any info and input on using the N55E stylus with the M44G ? I've seen some talk of it in the forums but didnt find much in depth information.

Sorry...

No reason it shouldn't work! The classic M44 and M55 cartridges are almost identical in shape, and they are identical inductance too.

My M44-7 measures 740mH inductance... that does not seem to be the same as the 420mH you are quoting for the SC35C !?

David... I never said the SC35C and the M44/55 had the same engine!! Actually i implied the opposite several times.

[dualhead]

Hey fellas, I have been toying with the idea of running the SC35C on my Syntec 220 tonearm which is a Jap manufactured broadcast arm of higher mass. Currently I have been unable to find the exact mass of the arm. I found one version of the arm called the Piezo and it recommended a cart (Also made by Piezo) which tracked at around 2.5 grams. Currently I use an AT Precept which tracks at 2 grams and love the sound for the most part. One thing is that it could use a more uniform and stable soundstage. Detail is great, but I am wondering if a less compliant cart would give me the stability I seek? Great thread BTW!

[dlaloum]

David... I never said the SC35C and the M44/55 had the same engine!! Actually i implied the opposite several times.

Sorry -misread/misunderstood the previous post....

[flavio81]

Hey fellas, I have been toying with the idea of running the SC35C on my Syntec 220 tonearm which is a Jap manufactured broadcast arm of higher mass. Currently I have been unable to find the exact mass of the arm. I found one version of the arm called the Piezo and it recommended a cart (Also made by Piezo) which tracked at around 2.5 grams. Currently I use an AT Precept which tracks at 2 grams and love the sound for the most part. One thing is that it could use a more uniform and stable soundstage. Detail is great, but I am wondering if a less compliant cart would give me the stability I seek? Great thread BTW!

Would you please give more details on the cartridge you're using?

The SS35C stylus is very low compliance so chances are that you'll end up adding more mass; which opens a lot of nice possibilities (damping, inertial stabilization, etc.)

[dualhead]

Audio Technica PCN 110E .4 X .7 elliptical. 1-2 grams tracking. Actual compliance figure unknown to me. I will say that the cantilever tends to bounce more than I am used to when it rides a warp. Still tracks an I can't hear anything, but it does seem bouncy.

[flavio81]

Audio Technica PCN 110E .4 X .7 elliptical. 1-2 grams tracking. Actual compliance figure unknown to me. I will say that the cantilever tends to bounce more than I am used to when it rides a warp. Still tracks an I can't hear anything, but it does seem bouncy.

Syntec S-220
http://www.vinylengine.com/library/syntec/s-220.shtml

Looks like a mid-high tonearm mass to me, no matter what the literature says. Give it a try! You can always add mass with blu-tack for example.

[flavio81]

Dualhead, this may interest you with info on your Syntec tonearm:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f ... 33159&VT=T

Did you know that the Syntec/Sedco/Piezo tonearm was actually the first Audio-Technica 1005 from the mid-Sixties?

It is also AKA "Azden PU-402"
AKA Piezo PU-402

http://www.vinylengine.com/library/japa ... -402.shtml

If you check the cartridge that came with the Piezo, it is a very low compliance cartridge (5cu).

So the SC35C suits this arm.

[dualhead]

That's great info! I'll have to save some pennies and give it a whirl. Thanks again for such a great thread.