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Stanton 500: How Good Can It Sound?

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Postby bauzace50 » 17 Jun 2011 22:14

Hi,

Yes, the stylus that says "E MkII" on the body is the D50E Mk II. The specs are: 4x7 mil tip, 14 compliance units, 1 to 2 grams recommended tracking pressure, and .8 mV / cm / sec voltage rating. This is the one I have, which has been modified with the Paratrace tip, and gives me much satisfaction, somewhat below other favorite units.

I don't know the D5100E at all.

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Postby dbxdx5 » 17 Jun 2011 22:39

The D5100E is the stylus with the black body and red square on the front. Does that sound familiar?
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Postby Snead » 17 Jun 2011 23:30

Gents, there's another economical way to keep the 500s going - it involves looking to the p-mount world (no, I don't mean the D71ee B50 tested and found lacking). IMO, one of the nice things about p-mounts is there's no guessing about compliance and tracking weight. By definition, they're squishy and track capably at 1.25 grams. Anyway...

The first is on the aforementioned PickeringUK site. If you look near the bottom of the page under the 'T4P' category, there's a listing for 'DE eliptical, $28'.

http://www.pickeringuk.com/styli.html



Alternately, theres a very reasonably-priced (by JICO standards) JICO copy of an older p-mount stylus they call 'D71e' that may be suitable.

http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_ ... ts_id=1125

The customer-provided review is worth reading -

http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_ ... iews_id=20


Note, I haven't tried either of these two styli. I'm merely throwing them out to the group as interesting candidates. 8)
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Postby Whitneyville » 18 Jun 2011 11:24

dbx, if you want maximum interchangeability and flexibility in a single cartridge, and you like Stantons, then by default the 881 wins. It's generator is better than the 500's, it has far more stylii available off-the-shelf for it, and if you were to get a re-tip done, the 881's generator should give more channel separation, and show the effects of a re-tip better. If my brain and fingers will work together, there are some NOS Stereoheadron stylii still for sale for the 881EE (on feeBay according to the sellers) for about $300. This was supposed to be the high-water mark for Pickering/Stanton stylus shapes. It was their design to trace the old Quad and CD-4 LP's instead of the Shibata. It's quite similar where the tip meets the groove, even though it looks different. I'm supposing the Paratrace is more of a line contact type stylus (Micro-Line-A-T, SAS-JICO, etc.). To be brutally honest, I guess time and technology has caught-up with the entire Stanton line, as cartridges and stylii have become more specialized and sophisticated, but that doesn't mean many of us don't still enjoy their sound. I'm not certain that a cartridge like the much more modern Audio-Technica AT-440MLa with it's Micro-Line stylus for about $150 for your LP's and a separate 78 cartridge like the Shure M78S for $40 (and we can go down to about $27 for a 78 cartridge) might not be a better and more economical solution. If your arm uses a "universal" headshell (it detaches with about a half turn of a collar from the tonearm), not considering separate cartridges is quite self-limiting. Just my take on this, and it and $2.50 will buy you a small cup of coffee most places. 8)
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Postby geopapa » 12 Aug 2011 23:10

Hi all,
After reading bauzace50's post I decided to buy a new styli for my stanton 500 II cartridge. So I bought the DE 1.25 gram from the Pickeringuk website. The styli seems ok just it does not fit tight on the cartridge like the old one. Is this something to pay attention to?
Also i have noticed that it is more sensitive to scratched discs than the spherical old one. Some of them sound really loud... Is this something to be expected?

Thanks.

P.S Sorry if my questions sound silly but I'm a novice in the vinyl world..
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Postby bauzace50 » 13 Aug 2011 00:02

HI geopapa,

Best wishes on the Pickering DE stylus. It is normal to expect a very slight loose fit with the cartridge body (about 1 millimeter loose?). This can be remedied by applying a little dab of putty such as BluTak between the cartridge body and one small spot where the stylus plastic fingergrip makes contact with the cartridge body.

Different styli will show different response with record scratches. Some are more sensitive than others. Also, this stylus may have more magnetism than your previous one, because the magnet size would vary among the different stylus models, according to Stanton and Pickering purposes for each model. Your experience is entirely normal.

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Postby geopapa » 13 Aug 2011 10:02

Thanks for the response!
Yes it is about 1 mm loose, I 'll try to fix it with Blutak. It will be better to be stabilized on the cartridge.
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Re: Stanton 500: How Good Can It Sound?

Postby Dezie » 17 Mar 2012 15:11

A huge thank you to bauzace50 for recommending the Pickering DE. I just tried it out and id say it's perfect for my old 45s which arent in the best condition. It delivers a huge bass sound through my 500 mk1 cart whch works well on reggae and funk music in particular. Im running two headshell weights on a standard technics headshell plus a homemade sub weight at the other end to get a decent compliance number out of this set up. I think an even heavier headshell like Sumiko or AT would sound even better
Have fun with your music!
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Re: Stanton 500: How Good Can It Sound?

Postby bauzace50 » 17 Mar 2012 18:16

HI,

Enjoy! I have not found one imitation that sounds good, so far. If you find one good-sounding imitation please report. A proper-sounding 500 is very good and worth saving. My best restoration so far has been one genuine Stanton retipped with a Paratrace frm Expert Stylus. A SoundSmith ruby cantilever introduced a treble balance increase which I did not like.

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Re: Stanton 500: How Good Can It Sound?

Postby Dezie » 18 Mar 2012 10:42

All sound advice thank you. I'll post any updates here of course. It'll be interesting to see if I can hear the ddifference with my mk2 cart
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Re: Stanton 500: How Good Can It Sound?

Postby Dezie » 29 Mar 2012 21:45

This is becoming an obsession. I upgraded the toneaem wires in my Technics SL1210 (headshell and phono leads done previously) and it sounds incredible! My search for the ultimate needle for the Stanton 500 ended when I fitted the Pickering De stylus.... until I discovered it's a .4 x. 7 tip and you can get a. 3x. 7 tip! Has anyone tried this in the Stanton cart? http://www.turntableneedles.com/Stanton ... _1599.html

Is it actually a Jico stylus?

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Re: Stanton 500: How Good Can It Sound?

Postby bauzace50 » 29 Mar 2012 22:49

@ Dezie,

I have not tried the stylus you mention. But I have done the following, with excellent results: The original Stanton stylus was fitted with a Paratrace diamond by Expert Stylus. Let me say it is a lovely difference. It is the best I have heard my Stanton 500! Highly recommended! Better bass tracking, better linearity, better treble, better tracking overall...and the same neutral tonal balance!!!
There is a contra-indication here, though. I did not obtain an improvement when ordering a ruby cantilever for the 500. Something happened that the treble lost its neutrality and became too strong for my taste...but you might like it. So, go figure. I no longer have that stylus, and it is being enjoyed by another appreciative owner.
Good luck in your search,
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Re: Stanton 500: How Good Can It Sound?

Postby Dezie » 30 Mar 2012 09:33

Thanks again... retipping is always an option I know. I'm just trying to find the best off the shelf preferably original stylus to see what it sounds like. It seems the original d50e mk2 is equivalent to the Pickering de you kindly pointed me towards. I've now seen that pickering do a D2E stylus and I'm wondering if it's the same as the Stanton d50ee ie with the 3x7 tip. I've emailed them to find out! By the way, I tried the de in a Stanton 500 mill cart body last night and I'm struggling to hear the difference from the original mkl. Maybe some different music will highlight something for me..... I'll just have to play more records tonight ;-)

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