Michael Fremer Slaps Down The Technics Sl-1200

[covalongacurta]

skipping depends on the stylus , tracking force ,anti-skating , records, arm rest etc . It also depends if the table is leveled or not. it doesn't depend on the table ! What does an sl-1200 have so special to avoid skipping that other tables don't have ?

It does depend on the table, actually, and how well they absorb external vibration. Put two turntables on the same support on an old wooden floor and start jumping up and down and wandering around.You'll soon learn which one controls the vibrations caused by your movement better.

ok bring me a dj cart (high tracking force ) to put on my table and bring an elephant to dance in my room !

You don't need a DJ cart for that. I've used a Shure M97Xe with tracking force set to 1 gram with an SL-1200 Mk II at home and I could jump up and down right next to it without any audible effect. And no, I didn't try it on purpose, I found out by accident when I took a tumble and then tried it on purpose. With other turntables, I couldn't walk around in the same room without the system flying all over the place - even with an Ortofon Concorde Pro S set to track at 4 grams.

There's also a lot of hate for the M97Xe nowadays because it's made in Mexico. At least that's the only reasoning I've seen on why many people apparently considered it to be an OK cart but don't any more. EDIT: I don't use the M97Xe as my main system these days but I tried it out because a lot of people do use it with an SL-1200 and claim it to be a good fit.

[cafe latte]

On my DJ Technics, I enjoy a Decca super gold which sound totally amazing even with the stock arm (this cart can be very fussy with arms). I also use a Denon dl160, Stanton 890al (881) Stanton 681eee, Sure m97xe, oh and a Trackmaster Dj cart with a hifi stylus . They all sound great and due to the stock arm they can be swapped in about 15 seconds Just my opinion, but I have heard guys here say the Technics is dead or closed in sounding, but They definetly have never heard a Technics with a Decca super gold were it is like sitting amongst the performance .
All TT's have faults and the Technics is often accused of being over damped, but this is simply not true, if anything it would benifit from further mass damping and damping in the arm. Cotton wool in the arm tube ends to my ears makes a big difference.
I think stereophile is now the only mag that does not highly rate Technics TT's as far as I am aware anyway, and stereophile is also a renoundly pretentious mag that I stopped reading long ago as it is like they are on another planet
CL

[covalongacurta]

apologies for my last post. I don't know what happened . I only want to add to this discussion about the technics sl-1200 that i respect too much your oppinions !

[rewfew]

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covalongacurta wrote:

how does a record sound recorded on that cutter ?

Don't know. The point is, the drive system is fully capable of being subjected to quite a work out, coping with the rigors of a cutter head vibrating away on a lacquer disc atop the platter. Which, no doubt, quite not many belt drive's with unknown specifications to begin with would begin to be up to task. Rim drive's, sure. But then there's the rumble issue. Old"er" technology vs old technology. And nothing in the audiophile pipeline but rehashing of older technology at hefty prices. Direct drive, the last concerted effort to push the turntable into a realm of reliable vanishing levels of distortion from the drive system. The technics 1200 was and is an unparalleled achievement by design and coincidence (scratching), (ughh), to have lasted so long for the masses to enjoy high quality analog. Enjoy of course any turntable at any price one chooses to part with. But for price per performance ratio, it's very hard to beat the wheel of steel.

[mosin]

Hi guys,

No comment from me, but you may find this interesting. Read the February 28, 2009 post.


http://audiamorous.blogspot.com/

[flavio81]

Hi guys,

No comment from me, but you may find this interesting. Read the February 28, 2009 post.


http://audiamorous.blogspot.com/

Excellent blog, is it yours?

I suspected the flutter problems of the SL1200 from the first time i compared my SL against an idler drive TT.

http://audiamorous.blogspot.com/2009/02 ... utter.html

[cafe latte]

apologies for my last post. I don't know what happened . I only want to add to this discussion about the technics sl-1200 that i respect too much your oppinions !

What? I saw nothing wrong with your last post?

[avole]

...I suspected the flutter problems of the SL1200 from the first time i compared my SL against an idler drive TT.

Difficult to hear flutter on an idler drive I'd think, above the rumble

[cafe latte]

...I suspected the flutter problems of the SL1200 from the first time i compared my SL against an idler drive TT.

Difficult to hear flutter on an idler drive I'd think, above the rumble

Or music

[mattlynch]

hi all,
in stock form the 1200/1210 may have some minor issues but in modded form ( see page 100 of hi fi world july 2011) it would seem there is plenty of life in the old dog yet, having used them for years i only have good things to say about the device,
all the best,
matt

[alfonso]

Hi guys,

No comment from me, but you may find this interesting. Read the February 28, 2009 post.


http://audiamorous.blogspot.com/

Excellent blog, is it yours?

I suspected the flutter problems of the SL1200 from the first time i compared my SL against an idler drive TT.

http://audiamorous.blogspot.com/2009/02 ... utter.html

...maybe your sl has been manufactured by gemini or stanton check the brand!!

[alfonso]

...by the way,who is Michael Fremer????!!!!!??

[avole]

...by the way,who is Michael Fremer????!!!!!??

The enemy...

[alfonso]

...by the way,who is Michael Fremer????!!!!!??

The enemy...

mmmm.i doubt he's qualified to cover that position!
A tt reviewer who states that a dd drive is always haunting the right speed and that a fully analog motor like the sl1200 is causing jitter is obviously missing even the most elementary knowlege about tt's.
Also,about cogging...you can search in every science book and will find that it exists in every motor spinning.it's impossible to cure it completely and is present in every kind of turntable. Is like a magnetic field:you can isolate it but is impossible to interrupt it.Of course the better the tt motor,the less cogging.If you look carefully (and i mean carefully) at the strobe of a 150$ dd dj table like gemini's and the like,you'll see the dots moving a little onward and then a little backward...a weavy movement:that is cogging. Look at the strobe of a sl1200 tt: rock solid speed stability. Is possible to hear wov or flutters invisible at the strobe? Nope.Reason to worry: zero.
Cogging is still present,in every tt being belt,direct or idler drive.