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DIY- Do It Yourself- Turntable Isolators- MKII 's

Postby Smengy1 » 20 Jan 2011 06:24

Hello,
I just got my new(old) Pioneer pl-518. Won a auction with the turntable
sans isolators. Woulda never ordered it, but I saw someone with a
Do It Yourself sand filled feet. These feet are a honest copy of them, but with my own modification. While i was picking out the parts at ACE hardware. I started seeing problems the other design. The base of those were stuffed with sand. If I did that, how could I ever tighten the screw?

Also in the original design he had the Crutch Cap at the top, and the
plastic pipe endcap on the bottom. If I remember his design right.
I called these MKII's because it was a refinement of the original design.
These are just like the original spring loaded feet!!

Well ok here is a picture of what you will need.

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You will need 16 7/16" Neoprene washers, not just 8.

This is the basic layout of the design ( a basic exploded view):
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The rubber expansion is a 1/2 inch, so you will need a 1/2 inch drill
bit to open a hole in the plastic end cap.

Tape two 7/16 neoprene washers onto the larger washer. Sink the
washer into the base of the Walking Cane end tip. Then screw a
8X x 3" wood screw from the top down, through the rubber, dead
center in the washer hole. Once the tip pops through remove it
and screw the screw up from the bottom. Slip the spring over it.
I used a #155 @ 1.24 a piece at first. These were way to stiff,
so I went back and got some that were .60 cents a piece. They were
the next diameter down. Sorry the store was closing so I ran out
before I got the exact #. These springs were better, when I hit the
old assembly the whole foot vibrated!!! When I got the lower rate springs
the feet stayed dull and damped when i held the screw end and hit it against something. Much better!!!:P

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This picture shows the smaller diameter spring.
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Now you should have something like this:(note: bigger spring in this
photo)
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What I did was get a drill bit and reamed out the threads in the rubber expansion fitting. There is a threaded brass insert inside, so I wore down
the threads with a power drill and bit. So that the threads did not catch as
badly. A thin brass tube could be put there too as well, but i did not have
time to hit the hobby shop for a clean sleeving.

The next step is to put two neoprenes on top of a smaller washer and sit
it on top of the spring. Look at the spring, there is one base that is flatter
than the others. Put that one at the base. Play around with it a little and
sight down and get the screw and spring as evenly placed as you can.
Put the expansion fitting (i think that's the name) into the drilled out pipe cap, and tape it there so it dos'nt move around. Should look like this now:

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Compress the assembly. When you hit the contact just squeeze the
rubber where it wont go in and the cap will pop right in. Now thumbs on the bottom, fingers on top and compress the assembly. Once its home
push down on the nipple and make sure it is not binding or is off center thanks to the things slipping inside. If its binding just get a knife and slip
it between the rubber and plastic and pry it back up and try again. Try to bring the cap down evenly, then it seats cleanly.

Here is the finished assembly :o

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I put the legs on the table, they were very solid, but they did not float
freely. So I noticed some of this stuff out in the garage :roll:

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I put it on the bottom of all the footsies!!! Now it rocks and rolls like my
old Hitachi HT-324's isolators!!

Here is the final installation!!

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SCWEEEEEEEEEEETTT!!!!

Cash outlay sans the rubber weatherstripping was around 27.50!! Seems
a lot sturdier than what I could see of what was left of the original mounts.

HAHA my turntable holds speed fine!! Some guy bought one(the one I almost bid on) and he is re-selling it cause it did not hold speed. I got two Shure cartridges with mine, and two headshells!!! \:D/

OK open for comments!

OH SHAG ME I POSTED THIS IN PREAMPS AND CARTRIDGES :oops:
can anyone move it? :roll:
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Postby wordwizard » 20 Jan 2011 07:28

That's a pretty ingenious idea. I would have put some foam rubber inside the springs to dampen them a bit, though.

Have you read this article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibration_isolation

If there is surplus equipment place near where you live, you can always try and find a set of aviation type "shock mounts" like these ones:

http://www.shocktech.com/products/em/CM ... 42-43.html
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Postby Whitneyville » 20 Jan 2011 08:43

I ended up with three ancient mercury filled dampening feet from a radio station. Unfortunately, I need three more for my Heybrook TT II to isolate it.I could get-by with just one more. Their principle is simple; the entire turntable "floats" on mercury filled cylinders. They also are self-leveling. No one would sell anything with (GASP!) mercury in it today. These things are darn heavy! At least a couple of kilos each. I thought with-in the last year I saw something similar but filled with silicone dampening fluid. Anyone know what/where I might have seen them? I do remember that a set of 4 was +/- $100. I think they contained a "pre-load" spring you could adjust for the weight of the turntable. My DSL provider (Southwestern Bell) dropped support for "Yahoo!" browser, and effectively deleted many of my "bookmarks". I'm using Google Chrome and like it much better, but "Goo-gooing" TT dampeners gets 2.7 million "hits". It was probably a site I looked at for stylii/phono cartridges, but WHICH one? I checked my 6 "usual suspects". HELP!
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Postby Smengy1 » 22 Jan 2011 20:56

Oh I just thought that on the mounting screw, further down, some shrink
wrap could have been used to isolate the metal on metal contact between
screw and bushing insert.
Also some rubber tubing of appropriate diameter, cut and screwed down to under the mounted screwed in depth.

To word wizard, yes I read other posts and saw about that. The feet themselves were very very dampened. they hit with a solid dull thud with
the thinner springs, so I did not put anything else in.
I was reading about making a shelf etc, and I am not sure that the
foam under the legs is or is not a good idea.

Here read this:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/68488.html

Once again this is for a shelf not the turntable itself. With the rubber under the feet it moved about almost exactly the same as Hitachi HT-324
isolation feet. :lol:
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Pioneer Pl-518 Do It Yourself Diy Replacement Isolator Feet

Postby Smengy1 » 15 May 2011 00:35

Just typing something in so this moves back up the page, I hope.
Seen alot of 518's sold on Ebay without feet, so should be easier to find
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Postby Whitneyville » 15 May 2011 07:06

I've seen a version using the larger Kodak 35mm plastic film cans and the smaller Fuji 35mm plastic film cans mainly filled with RTV, but with a "void space" top and bottom. Also versions partly filled with Silly Putty(tm). The principle is about the same in all cases, just the "dampening media" changes. I have also seen TT's suspended by four RC truck shocks (not cheap!) but that too works. "Egg-shell" bed/pillow foam also works for flat-bottomed turntables, or the fancier grey acoustic foam used to line speakers. Carpet pad foam in layers may work perfectly. Try what's around the house for free, then spend as little as possible until you "tame" your problem. It may not be as pretty, but a $6 fix may be equally effective as a $200+ fix, or even better.
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Postby wordwizard » 15 May 2011 07:21

Whitneyville wrote:... Also versions partly filled with Silly Putty(tm). ....


Silly Putty eventually dries up and hardens.

Not suitable for this purpose. --at least not for long <G>
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Postby jleon92f » 31 Aug 2011 12:23

Similar to what I made, nice job! ACE has everything!

John. :lol:
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