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AT3003/92E vs AT95E/S on Virtuoso- THE FINAL VERDICT!

Postby glrickaby » 13 Nov 2010 05:00

I finally cut back the AT3003 to the plug which I call "Nuding", (Which
it really isn't except for the plug) and installed it in the Wood Virtuoso
installed on my AZ garage sale Dual 1229 and I'm hearing things out
of the Virtuoso that I never heard from the AT95 E, HE and S, nuded
or otherwise. Actually I wrapped a small piece of scotch tape around
the unexposed 3 sides of the plug, ever careful not to touch the V
shaped AT magnetic pieces. (One does strange things in the Desert)
and now the scotch tape is not visible from the top after insertion.
I've played a Best of Wagner and Best of Verdi and am now playing
Mozart Serenade-Volume I from an old Treasury series. Everything
for want of a better word is "holographic", that is the sound seems
to dance out of the speaker suspended in the air. I hear a shimmer
on the strings. Detail is great. An opera on the Verdi record was
singing across the stage to the soprano on the other side, starting
very softly and building, the hall ambience was a shock to me. My
little speakers don't seem to lack Bass. (Again, maybe the desert
air) Differences in the comparison are: 30 watts vs 100 at home,
an AT-PEQ3 preamp, well reviewed but still only $50, VS a VP129
at home, and of course, a different Virtuoso Body purchased and
shipped to AZ with a dangling stylus. Am I missing something or
is the PEQ3 that good? Is my memory recall of the previous
Virtuoso body with the 95S body failing or or am I on to something
here? Pat O. was right, cutting the 3003 stylus all the way back
made a world of difference. By the way, I don't know the hours
on the 3003 stylus as it came on another $10 Hitachi L55 garage
sale TT! These old folks in AZ are still getting rid of their TT's.By
the way, the scotch tape was the harder shiney stuff and not the
softer transparent! (Ha). Maybe the 3003/AT92E compliance is
softer than the AT95's ? Whatever it is, I'm in temporary sound
heaven. Using a paint brush to clean the dust off the 50 cent
records I'm playing. A little big to dust the needle so I just blow!
Windex on a kleenex also works as a record cleaner....Will be
back in Denver in a couple of weeks and then see how this
works on my home equipment.
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Postby fantasia » 14 Nov 2010 02:45

Hi ,

you are right i have a at3472be which is a .4x.7mil in the at8008 it works but the original was too compliant in the RB-300 so the AT95 solution is a goer!!!!! somethings are marginal in an RB-300 hence my likeing for older classics an Excel es70x4(shibata) a at12s and a at15sa. there is the other factor it is good to be able to find good quality cheaper stylii to fed your vinyl habit.

IE ones that are easily had!!!!

thanks for the thoughts

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AT95 Conical in a Virtuoso

Postby glrickaby » 18 Nov 2010 00:24

Believe a previous writer has used the ATN3400 which appears to be the
conical version of the AT95E with good results. I've cheapened down my
Clearaudio virtuoso and am currently running a under $10 Pfanstiehl
ATN3400 stylus in it with excellent results. Seems a shame to run a
$800 retail cartridge with a $10 stylus but I prefer to think this may
represent the genius of Audio Technica in all the various guises of
the AT95E, including Clearaudio. My initial impression is I can't hear
any difference between the ATN3400 and the standard ATN95E but
than again, this may be because I have the conical here with me in
the desert of AZ whereas the HE and S versions of the 95 are back
home in Denver and not available for immediate comparision. I know
that Pfanstiehl is not a household preferance with most audiophiles,
but I've had good luck with them and in many cases, found them
the equal of OEM styli. There you have it.... an $800 Virtuoso with
a $10 conical. Absurd of absurdities but here in the desert, one
can contemplate strange things as an low end audiophile! Then
again, it may be the $17.50 garage sale Dual 1229 which is actually the
higher end of their extensive TT line.
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Re: AT95 Conical in a Virtuoso

Postby flavio81 » 18 Nov 2010 16:17

glrickaby wrote:Believe a previous writer has used the ATN3400 which appears to be the
conical version of the AT95E with good results.


I have used the AT-3400, actually the AT-3450 if i recall correctly. Pleasing sound but i didn't test it enough.

Actually this thread should be called "inexpensive AT MM cartridges" since most of the qualities described are present in practically all AT dual magnet cartridges.

Seems the Audio-Technica dual-magnet design has a lot of potential, potential that is easily unlockable.

On other thread Missan describes modifications to an AT-11 cartridge, with very good results. Check it out!!
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Home to Colorado from the Desert!

Postby glrickaby » 04 Dec 2010 08:16

Finally got back home and mounted the AT95/3400 Shibata on the
Clearaudio Virtuoso and believe the sound of the Shibata beats
the AT3003 "nuded" elliptical. I have an Ed Saunders new AT92E
stylus but have decided not to whittle this down from an expense
standpoint since the Shibata sounds so good, so alive and so
vibrant! Alas! I've decided to list the Virtuoso so I can use the
money on other projects. (my wife is not overly happy about
bringing 4 more TTs from AZ)The Shibata ,I believe tracks ,about
.5 gm higher than the 3003 which is a pmount, so there is a
difference in compliance. Well, its been fun but looks like this
AT95 thread is headed towards the back pages. Regards to
all and thanks for the fun! Incidently, Scotch Adhesive Putty
at Office Depot is the same as Blue Tack without the color
and a good buy @$2.00...miss those desert winds....
perhaps some years in the future, some traveler may
stumble across an old AT95E, only this thread will be
there to guide him (or her) ha!
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Re: 150 stylus on the AT95HE plug

Postby rocker65 » 06 Dec 2010 22:34

glrickaby wrote:- The v shaped magnets must be exactly aligned horizonally or
you won't have enough clearence in the cartridge. Also, make sure the
length is the same as you may have to push it in further or not as far
before tightening the screw. There is no question about the tightness
of the screw. When the jewelers screwdriver won't turn any more, it
is tight. I had a similar experience putting in the AT120 to the plug
you have and length and horizonal leveling must be exact. Don't
shake. It may take 6-8 times to get it right. Tighten "loose" and
adjust if you have to. Good luck!

Hi glrickaby,
I think I may be missing some thing here that I have not come across before. You mention positioning the magnets in an AT120e, (I have one).
Could you please enlarge on this as I feel a possible "tweak" coming on.
Many Thanks (Sorry if this is going off topic but it is new procedure to me).
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AT120E plug into an AT95E

Postby glrickaby » 07 Dec 2010 06:08

Hi Rocker- Both the AT120E and the AT95E have a little screw at the
bottom of the stylus plug. It looks like a white dot but if you scrape
with a jewelers screwdriver, you will see a screw which if turned,
will loosen the stylus shaft and permit it to be removed and put
into the other stylus plug. Since the AT95E is an excellent body
and in fact used in a variation for the Clearaudios, this whole
thread has been about how to improve the .004 x .007 stylus.
Both LPGear and Stereo Needles sell what is apparently a
JICO stylus in either an HE or Shibata listed as a 3400 series
which is an exact fit. They are both bonded units however and
the AT120E is a high quality .003 x .007 NUDE so thus the
transplant idea... Obviously, any AT cartridge with the little
screw can have a transplant regardless of the shape of the
plug. Be aware however, that many AT generics do not have
the little screw covered over with white glue and thus will
not work. Stylus length needs to be the same and the V
shaped magnets must align. This came up several replies
back from someone who does these transplants all the
time. Interesting enough, the Clearaudio plugs use a
sleeve insert instead of a screw so must either have
the HE or Shibata 3400 or a plug with the screw and
a transplanted stylus shaft. Does this satisfy?
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Re: AT120E plug into an AT95E

Postby flavio81 » 07 Dec 2010 17:09

glrickaby wrote:Hi Rocker- Both the AT120E and the AT95E have a little screw at the
bottom of the stylus plug.


Also, FYI: It also is supposed to set compliance. So lots of possibilities here :D
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Postby missan » 07 Dec 2010 17:55

Some of AT´s cartridges have this compliance screw. My 95E did not, and that is the problem, if it doesn´t have this screw it´s very difficult to transplant another needle.

IME the set of compliance can only be towards a lower compliance,, trying in setting a higher compliance will be on the edge of collapsing.
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Postby rocker65 » 08 Dec 2010 11:29

Hi Chaps,
Thanks for the info.
If I were to get into this swapping and experimenting I think that it could take over my life. (Mind you, some thing needs to).
Cheers
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hmm. shibata for 22 Euros? -->95e

Postby McLanz » 23 Dec 2010 21:23

Hi guys,

though this thread is maybe dead...

Does anyone knowns if this stylus does fit to At95e??

http://www.phonophono.de/stylus_AudioTe ... 3?Kennung=

Look for

AudioTechnica ATN 12 S AudioTechnica - ATN 12XE Nachbaunadel


it costs 22,50-

I guess I have to ask someone at phonophono ...
or do you guys have any experience?


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Postby flavio81 » 24 Dec 2010 00:03

ATN-11/12 does not fit AT-95.
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At85e And At3400 And Similar Ones

Postby Skaffern » 28 May 2011 14:53

Hello everyone.

I just wonder how can you identify the AT carts like the one for AT95E, they has no numbers on the cartridge house.
I can come with several AT carts name who looks the same and I have several needles who will fit the same house. Like the needles for ATN3401, ATN 3410, ATN3450, ATN3451/93, ATN3451E/95E, ATN3452E, ATN3400C, ATN3450C and ATN3450L all this one will fit the same cartridge.

The composition and construction of the cantilever have the greatest impact on the frequency response range of the cartridge. The really good ones are expensive.

The cantilever is the larger, more visible piece that connects the stylus tip to the magnetic coils in the cartridge. It is a part of the replaceable stylus assembly. To work optimally, the cantilever must be very stiff, so that it accurately transmits the mechanical signal, and also very light, so that it does not impede the rapid acceleration of the stylus assembly back and forth. Making it both stiff and light requires the use of exotic materials and nano-assembly procedures. It's not just the stylus that matters.

The cheapest type diamond is Spherical, and is to be avoided. Elliptical diamond styli are acceptable, but you're better off with a smaller sized one, i. e. 0.3 mil by 0.7 mil is better than 0.4 mil by 0.7 mil. Smaller styli fit more accurately into the groove and match the contours of the groove wall better.
Premium needles are often called Linear Contact, Micro Line, etc. These are much more accurately cut and are designed to have the exact same shape as the cutting stylus that made the original master disc.
The best is to have the stylus meet the groove wall over the largest amount of surface area as possible.

Its not only the cartridge and needle who need to be correct.

There are a few other critical adjustments too.

Your ear may also be your best test instrument.

You need a level turntable. Use a quality carpenter's level. Some people like the Shure stylus force gage for setting stylus pressure accurately. Other tools which are well recommended are the Geo-disk, a good protractor, and above all, the Cart-Align, which uses a very precise etched plastic mirror for cantilever alignment.

You'll also want to set the tracking angle. It CAN be done by eyeball, but is best done with test instrumentation and a record. There is also the cartridge angle, tonearm height, etc. Read the instructions which came with your tonearm for the best specific advice for that tonearm.

Tonearm cable is more critical than any cable anywhere else in the signal chain. Cable capacitance directly sets the high frequency characteristics of the cartridge. In addition, the correct grounding of the shield is essential to minimize hum. It may be necessary to change preamp input capacitors so that the cable/preamp combination loads the cartridge with the right overall capacitance. Replacing tonearm cable will have a similar effect, but may be harder to change tonearm cable than to change preamp input capacitors. Consult the cartridge, tonearm, and preamp manuals for specific advice.

Stylus pressure.

Do not, under any circumstances, use a lower than recommended force, as the cartridge may lose the ability to maintain contact with the groove wall on passages of large amplitude. This WILL result in RECORD DAMAGE.

If you want the best possible tracking and sound quality, you will want to fine-tune the tracking force. Use a test record and listen very carefully.


Set the anti-skating on a tonearm.

If you have a recommendation or suggestion from the tonearm manufacturer, follow their advice first. They will give you the best starting point.

Some tonearms come with calibrated anti-skate. The manufacturer of these tonearms has tried to calibrate the anti-skate control so that if you match the setting of the anti-skate to the setting of the stylus pressure, you will have nearly perfect anti-skate. Read the manufacturer's recommendations to see if this applies to your tonearm.

You can see gross errors in anti-skate by looking at the stylus. If you shine a light on the front of the tonearm while playing a record, you will be able to see whether the stylus is centered in the stylus holder. If the stylus is biased to one side or another while playing a record, then the anti-skate is way off.

Its a lot of different adjustments who are critical before the turntable, arm, cartridge and needle are perfect adjusted for listening to your favorite music.
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Postby avole » 28 May 2011 16:51

Thanks for the lesson, but you're wrong on a couple of counts.

The main ones are your comments about spherical styli. One of the best cartridges available, the DL103 series, has a spherical stylus. Makes a nonsense of some of your other claims, too, given the detail it is capable of reproducing, but which, according to your argument, it can't.

I'd also argue about the necessity of having a record and 'test instrumentation'. You don't need a carpenter's level either, though I have used one in the past, as the record levels sold by Ortofon are cheap, accurate, and far more suited to purpose.

Most cartridges do not require either cable changes or capacitor changes in the preamp. If they did, the amount of people using vinyl would be, at the very least, halved.
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