Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" LP

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Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" LP

Post by kj_rawk » 23 Aug 2010 22:27

Been grooving to a CDR copy of the "recalled" HDCD version for years and now with a new turn-table on the way I'd like to get it on vinyl. So, is there any particular pressing to look for? Or are they all of the same quality? I understand that some have poster inlays, and some have not. Any pointers/info would be much appreciated.

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Re: Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" LP

Post by philbrown » 24 Aug 2010 17:43

kj_rawk wrote:Been grooving to a CDR copy of the "recalled" HDCD version for years and now with a new turn-table on the way I'd like to get it on vinyl. So, is there any particular pressing to look for? Or are they all of the same quality? I understand that some have poster inlays, and some have not. Any pointers/info would be much appreciated.

The matrix number should end with RE-2A through F. that gets you a disc pressed from the original run of lacquers.
How do I know? I mastered it.
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Post by kj_rawk » 24 Aug 2010 20:26

Thanks! Just the sort of info I was looking for. Very cool that you were that involved!

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Now I have to check

Post by tdat7192 » 25 Aug 2010 14:18

Now I have to run and see what code my copy has. Nice info and thanks for the mastering. I love that album.

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Post by One L » 25 Aug 2010 19:10

Damn! After looking at mine: Side One = G, Side Two = H

Guess I need to search out an earlier version

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Post by philbrown » 25 Aug 2010 20:04

One L wrote:Damn! After looking at mine: Side One = G, Side Two = H

Guess I need to search out an earlier version
No you're OK. G and H would have been the first recuts and we did those just like the originals. The story of that album is long and bloody. See wikipeadia.
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Post by One L » 25 Aug 2010 21:51

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Fades_Away

So Phil, what you're saying is there are no master tapes of this recording to even mess with if Young decided to re-release the album?

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Post by philbrown » 25 Aug 2010 22:49

One L wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Fades_Away

So Phil, what you're saying is there are no master tapes of this recording to even mess with if Young decided to re-release the album?
No 2 track master tapes exist of this album. There are the somewhat indifferent Dolby copies we would make while cutting discs for file and tape duping but that's it. Just the 16 track tapes that we cut from and all that was automated was fader level. We used our chambers for echo and used some board EQ and things like that. It could be remixed and qould maybe come out better but not the same.
And I'll bet the 16 tracks are pretty worn out. The MM1000 we used was hard on tape.
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Re: Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" LP

Post by kj_rawk » 26 Aug 2010 00:14

philbrown wrote:The matrix number should end with RE-2A through F. that gets you a disc pressed from the original run of lacquers.
How do I know? I mastered it.
Phil Brown
I just ordered an EX++ copy with (according to the seller) the matrix numbers:

ms 2151 31632 re 2l
ms 2151 31632 re 2e

Does this mean that side one is of lesser quality while side two is the "real deal"? Sorry for all the questions but this matrix number business is all a mystery to me. :)

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Re: Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" LP

Post by philbrown » 26 Aug 2010 18:44

kj_rawk wrote:
philbrown wrote:The matrix number should end with RE-2A through F. that gets you a disc pressed from the original run of lacquers.
How do I know? I mastered it.
Phil Brown
I just ordered an EX++ copy with (according to the seller) the matrix numbers:

ms 2151 31632 re 2l
ms 2151 31632 re 2e

Does this mean that side one is of lesser quality while side two is the "real deal"? Sorry for all the questions but this matrix number business is all a mystery to me. :)
Yup. It was made from a copy, not the 6 track.
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Re: Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" LP

Post by kj_rawk » 27 Aug 2010 01:10

philbrown wrote:Yup. It was made from a copy, not the 6 track.
Phil Brown
Ok, damn. Is there a big difference in sound quality between those "made from a copy" and those from the original lacquers?

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Post by JoshWard » 30 Aug 2010 15:00

Just play it and enjoy it 8)

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Re: Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" LP

Post by philbrown » 30 Aug 2010 18:35

kj_rawk wrote:
philbrown wrote:Yup. It was made from a copy, not the 6 track.
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Ok, damn. Is there a big difference in sound quality between those "made from a copy" and those from the original lacquers?

Dunno. But we didn't monitor the copies-they were made as we were cutting discs-and they were not, in my opinion, top quality copies. Their purpose was tape duplication and file for recuts. On the reissues I did-and I did a lot of them-I ALWAYS sought to use the original masters.
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Post by ssmith3046 » 02 Sep 2010 04:57

I saw this tour in 73 in Albuquerque. I thought it was a great show. Linda Ronstadt was the opening act. I bought the album the day it came out and played it for my friends over the next few days. I thought it was great and they thought I was NUTS! They were expecting Harvest II. I still enjoy this record to this very day.

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Bummer :)

Post by tdat7192 » 07 Sep 2010 13:30

Dug it out and found L and M, which are very nice letters, in and of themselves, but certainly not in the first cut runs.

In any event I did put it on and enjoyed it thoroughly!
Thanks for the info. :)

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