Record cleaning machines ?

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Dimal » 14 Oct 2019 13:32

That is definitely thinking outside the box... =D>
Well done mate. 8)

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Bluesnote » 17 Oct 2019 02:07

I'm back :D

I've been going through my stored records (20+ years in hiding) and have so far had great success with the Spin Clean and vacuum but. . I've come across one that still had problems 'The Rotters Club -'Hatfield and the North' I would have bought this soon after it's release in 1975 so it has a few years on it. Back in the day I wasn't too fussy about maintaining my collection and this one suffered as a consequence. This copy had a loop on the lead in on side one, very annoying, just sits going 'pop crack, pop crack and small pops throughout. . .

So, Mark 11 of the Grotty Notty is born - I've set up a Lazy Susan with a ply platter, and use a rubber door stop with a nut inserted to screw down and clamp the record. I can now go to town with a more vigorous clean, vacuum/ Spin Clean/ vacuum/ rinse vacuum. I have used a tooth pick on the lead in which actually worked, the record now plays through with hardly any pops, the spaces between tracks are all but silent - SUCCESS!!
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Nice to revisit the talent of guitarist Phil Miller after all these years, this album was destined for the scrap heap, now has a new inner and outer sleeve and filed with my revamped collection :D

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by iShootRAW » 17 Oct 2019 19:07

I love my Nitty Gritty Mini Pro 2. Really takes out a lot of the cracking and popping out of my records.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Pretorius » 17 Oct 2019 23:59

I was skeptical but lazy so I bought a used VPI HW-17 at great discount. The sonic results were extraordinary to me. Old noisy records suddenly sounded new. This was a revelation since I was collecting 50 year old blue note jazz records and where I thought there was permanent damage it often turned out to be merely dirt.

I am not going to spend a lot of time bulk cleaning records either so I really just want something that I can pass an old record through from storage on its way to the turntable or... a recently purchased used record just before playing. The VPI has a pretty big footprint and took up too much space and is also quite loud. After a year or so I upgraded to a Clearaudio Smart Matrix. Smaller footprint that fits on one shelf of my record storage. Maybe a little quieter... same technology with some slick german design.

One friend out of state was experimenting with the spin clean and was impressed with the results so I sent him the VPI HW-17 to save him the hassle I was too lazy to even try.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by alexmacphee » 21 Oct 2019 23:56

As a first approximation to a record cleaning system, I bought the Knosti wet cleaning bath. For the money, it worked far better than I expected, and several records I had that were visually immaculate but sounded coarse and crackly were suddenly perfectly playable with almost all surface noise removed. There is one record I have that was so noisy I wish I'd made a digital recording of it with something like Audacity, if only to show the spectacular before and after effect of cleaning. It now plays beautifully, and I have no evidence now of how bad it was.

The supplied cleaning fluid leaves an anti-static coating, which the stylus gathers up as a dust blob in time that can lift the stylus out of the groove. Research shows this is a common issue. I simply bought a second Knosti bath, and after the usual cleaning cycle through the cleaning fluid, rinse briefly under the tap then the disc is then rinsed in the second bath containing just fresh distilled water and a microscopic quantity of surfactant to break the surface tension of pure water. The result has been very clean records, and no dust accumulation on the stylus.

I suspect that the cleaning fluid could be easily replaced by a dilute mild good quality detergent solution.

I may end up with something ultrasonic, but right now, my two-bath wet clean is proving highly effective and cheap.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by redavalanche » 23 Oct 2019 06:45

Micro fiber does indeed shed. I say that knowing some will disagree. Seen it been there. I wash microfiber only with other MF and with the proper MF detergent. Although you could probably get away with using regular detergent. You do not want to wash MF with other items. Do not use fabric softener ever or dryer sheets. But it will still have shedding. MF for glass is a shorter nap, waffle weave and does not shed as much.

Other than that I just started cleaning myself. Today was first day with ultra sonic(100 bux). First day with squeaky clean(used). First day with the Triton, Hepastat, ISO. Previously used 2 dent pullers, one on each side of record with goat hair brush for agitation over sink. Rinse and vac clean with https://www.ebay.com/itm/RECORD-CLEANER ... Sw44BYS0Xs.

I got good results with the sink cleaning method and the wet vac attachment. Not sure the ultra sonic is paying off yet. I do like the squeaky clean thing though. I wanted that over the spin clean so cant comment on spin clean. I made my own rotisserie for ultra sonic with filter. So this is the rabbit hole I guess for people who can spend 200-ish but not 2000.
Good luck.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Bluesnote » 23 Oct 2019 07:02

redavalanche wrote:
23 Oct 2019 06:45
I made my own rotisserie for ultra sonic with filter. So this is the rabbit hole I guess for people who can spend 200-ish but not 2000.
Good luck.
Looking into this now, do you have pics of your rotisserie? I've watched several DIY videos so have a good idea of how I will approach my project. I'm coming across a few LPs now that still haven't responded to a good wet clean and vacuum.

Oddly it's the lead in and first 10 - 20mm that really have the crackles - just played side 1 of Santana Caravanserai, if you are familiar with it? It starts with the sound of crickets/cicadas chirping - well my copy sounds like breakfast cereal without the milk :mrgreen:

Let us know your results with ultrasonic please (before I invest more of my hard earned $$) :)

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by redavalanche » 24 Oct 2019 03:07

Back to the microfiber for a minute... I'm not trying to say dont use them, I use MF all the time. Just be aware they can shed and some have edges that can scratch. One last tip on MF. Many people prefer to wash them before use.

Bluesnote> Although I have been a member here for years it really only reflects how long I have wanted to play records it is not reflective of my experience cleaning or listening to records.

My record spinner is not fancy, just used what I had available mostly. Let me know if you have any questions.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Bluesnote » 24 Oct 2019 03:23

redavalanche wrote:
24 Oct 2019 03:07
Back to the microfiber for a minute... I'm not trying to say dont use them, I use MF all the time. Just be aware they can shed and some have edges that can scratch. One last tip on MF. Many people prefer to wash them before use.

Bluesnote> Although I have been a member here for years it really only reflects how long I have wanted to play records it is not reflective of my experience cleaning or listening to records.

My record spinner is not fancy, just used what I had available mostly. Let me know if you have any questions.
I can see that you have gone to some trouble building, looks neat - I guess the tube spacer is to accommodate 45s or am I mis-reading your images?

The real question for me is, can you detect an improvement before and after. I'm reading very mixed reviews, some glowing, some so so, and some quite negative. I appreciate a damaged disc will remain damaged, I'm more interested in the effect on discs with stubborn dirt - removing pops, crackle and surface noise. . .

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by redavalanche » 24 Oct 2019 05:38

The tube is a thread spool, the records go on each side. The spool and red discs have solid tool box liner glued to them so the records dont slip.

My second hand records were so dirty I never played them. So when I get a chance to listen it will be the first time I play them. I have a few I cleaned with the sink method. Maybe I can listen to one then run it through my new system and see if it gets better.

Not sure about the mixed reviews, thought the "in" crowd decided ultra sonic was the way to go. LOL.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Rob3000 » 29 Oct 2019 22:59

I just bought my Christmas gift early this year! The Kirmuss Audio KA-RC-1 Record Restoration Machine. This system uses an ultrasonic bath and mechanical brushing process with a surfactant. It is a multi-cycle process but so far the results have been eye and ear-opening! Granted, this is not a $200, or even $500 investment. All in, $950! Charles Kirmuss is the designer/inventor of this system and his machine, research and measurable results can be reviewed on the website: kirmussaudio.com.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Ripvanvinyl » 08 Dec 2019 02:40

I just took delivery of my Squeaky Clean Mk 3 RCM from CanFab3D and I have to say that I am pretty impressed so far. Granted I have only cleaned a half dozen albums at this point (some of which haven't been properly cleaned in years) but this little device has made a huge difference in reducing the pops and crackle.

A couple of examples, a Musical Heritage Society of Telemann Concertos that I have owned since the late 60s now sounds almost new again and an an original pressing of Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick from 1972 has now gone back on my vinyl playlist after I had almost given up on it and gone to CD.

I'm only using the stock cleaning formula (two thirds distilled water, one third isopropal alcohol and a couple of drops of Dawn dish detergent) but the results so far are extremely satisfying without recourse to any of the "secret sauce" formulae I have read about. Now to try a couple of my almost lost cause LPs - in particular a copy of the Pentangle's "Sweet Child" I will be quite surprised if it can be resurrected as it has been much loved and, unfortunately, abused over the years.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by metalshock » 08 Dec 2019 13:51

Ripvanvinyl wrote:
08 Dec 2019 02:40
I just took delivery of my Squeaky Clean Mk 3 RCM from CanFab3D and I have to say that I am pretty impressed so far. Granted I have only cleaned a half dozen albums at this point (some of which haven't been properly cleaned in years) but this little device has made a huge difference in reducing the pops and crackle.

A couple of examples, a Musical Heritage Society of Telemann Concertos that I have owned since the late 60s now sounds almost new again and an an original pressing of Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick from 1972 has now gone back on my vinyl playlist after I had almost given up on it and gone to CD.

I'm only using the stock cleaning formula (two thirds distilled water, one third isopropal alcohol and a couple of drops of Dawn dish detergent) but the results so far are extremely satisfying without recourse to any of the "secret sauce" formulae I have read about. Now to try a couple of my almost lost cause LPs - in particular a copy of the Pentangle's "Sweet Child" I will be quite surprised if it can be resurrected as it has been much loved and, unfortunately, abused over the years.
I too use the Squeaky Clean Mk 3 RCM. I tried several methods after watching multiple videos, but they were a hassle and the results just weren't there. I decided on the Squeaky Clean after watching several of their videos and after reading that vacuuming was really the best route to go. I'm using the same cleaning formula that you use, but the Isopropyl alcohol I use is 91% only. This cleaning method I use is the mixture first, spread on record with a few spins, vacuum off. Then use only distilled water, spread and vacuum off. I then let the album sit on the Squeaky Clean platter for a minute or so, flip it, and repeat. When done if there is any trace of wetness I dry it with a MF cloth, but afterwards, I use a Zerostat 3 Milty gun on but sides. I may have to blow on the record to get rid of any traces of dust, but when I'm done there isn't any on the record and it's static free. I then place the album in a new anti-static sleeve (or play it first). I also use the Onzow Zero Dust on my stylus.

MY CLEANING STATION
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PROS:
Squeaky Clean Mk 3 RCM was not that expensive at approximately USD $125.00. Vacuums cleaning solution without ever reusing the solution on another record. My older stored records of 15 years sound terrific (although some not as good due to abuse from my younger days). Solution I use is inexpensive (91% Isopropyl alcohol $1.50, Gallon Distilled Water .80 cents, Dawn Dishwashing liquid (3 droplets per solution) $1.25 8oz bottle). Other start up cost were a couple Ketchup and Mustard plastic bottle for the solution(s). MF cloths. Paint edger brush for deep cleaning. Able to break everything down and store it away (the Squeaky Clean Mk 3 fits right back in the box it came in), shop vac I put back in the box, brushes go in the Squeaky Clean box, and the solution bottles go in a cabinet.

CONS:
Need to purchase a small shop vacuum (although I already had one which made the decision to get the Squeaky Clean Mk 3 easier). Takes up space to set up a cleaning area unlike a built in one system. Not good for single album cleaning use due to the above mentioned space and break down of the equipment. You either need a designated cleaning area that stays up or use the Squeaky Clean Mk 3 for bulk cleanings (which I do, a minimum of 5-10 albums at a time), my station has been set up for the past 3 months because I just don't feel like breaking it down until I get through all of my records. Another con is cross contamination as one uncleaned side sits on the platter. After you clean the one side you flip it, but then the cleaned side lays on the contaminated side. I also use a tape lint pick to roll over the platter every few records.

If you are looking for a cost effective way to vacuum clean your "collection" this really works. For me personally it has been great; however, I will be looking in the future for an all-in-one RCM after I get through cleaning my collection. My preference is to wash and vacuum any new album I purchase and certainly any used album I purchase, so if I buy only one album and want to listen to it and don't want to wait until I have several, I really don't want the hassle of setting up and tearing down my current setup.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Tombo62 » 08 Dec 2019 18:26

On the "cross contamination" when flipping the record over, I've found that a quick vacuuming off of the platter mat between sides will remove any loose particulate matter. Just dry vacuum the mat for one revolution in the same way as removing fluid from a record. I replaced the cork mat on my RCM with a rubber turntable mat many years ago which is easier to clean, can be sink washed or wet cleaned on the RCM if needed and grips the record enough to resist the vac suction, so that I don't need to use the screw down clamp to hold the record in place.

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Re: Record cleaning machines ?

Post by Sinsonido » 08 Dec 2019 20:02

I was going to go for the Squeaky Clean unit but went for the VinylBug instead. Similar device but with a clamp instead of a full platter. Microfiber cloths for the cleaning wand and a drying mesh for the drying wand after a rinse. The biggest downsides for this it that it is a fully manual process, and the little Stanley shop vac I have is much louder than I expected. Other than that I don't mind doing it, and it does an admirable job cleaning my records.

I already owned the Spin Clean years before this, and despite its limitations, it is still useful to me as a distilled water rinse-only device. The drying mesh on the VinylBug removes all the water after the Spin Clean bath. No air drying necessary. It adds some extra maneuvers, moving the record back and forth, but it think it's worth it.

I check my stylus with a jeweler's loupe after every side and on occasion may have to swipe off a small microfiber particle, but other than that my stylus is usually still gleaming.