The systemdek with acrylic platter sounded better than the Linn of the time as did the first Dunlop systemdek and those brave enough who reviewed it said as much.
Hmmm..... to be honest CL I can't agree with that if you're referring to the the Systemdek IIX & / or its variants. It is a cracking deck IMO but even with an acrylic platter (I know I tried one) I honestly don't think it would have matched my 1980 LP12 and certainly not the tweaked LP12 I owned.
The LP12 sound was just.....'better' in so many ways.
I've even heard it often quoted that there were reviews claiming a Systemdek IIX with acrylic platter would give a Pink Triangle PT1 a run for it's money, but sadly after having done A/B comparisons I can absolutely dispel that rumour too.
I can see how the Systemdek Transcription on the other hand would give a contemporary LP12 a fair old scrap in an A/B comparison. That's a fine deck that IMHO doesn't get the recognition it deserves, which is probably down to looking gopping and that awful Nextel stuff it was covered in. Match it with a Mission 774 Original and then you have a wonderful combination IME.
But the Systemdek IIX compared to an LP12? Nah, the LP12 sounds better all day long IMO.
Going back to the LP12 though it is a finely engineered TT that undoubtedly IMO & IME sounds great. It really is an enjoyable deck to play music on, whether colouration or not it just draws you into the music.
They're also built like tiger tanks, very rarely go wrong and look damn fine.
And I'm not disagreeing with SF or any others that it played a significant part in the development of TT's certainly in the UK regardless of where Ivor T got the original idea / design from or their aggressive marketing. (They were / are a business in a competitive market remember so who can blame Linn for that?)
I haven't owned all the makes and models of BD TT but I have owned a few of the contemporary vintage tables that the LP12 has seen off - 3 x TT2, 1 X RD11, 3 X RD40, 3 x RD80SL, 1X TD160, 1 X Td165, 2 X TD125 MKii, 1 X Td166, 1 x TD150, 1 x Systemdek IIX ( with acrylic platter), 1 x Systemdek Transcription, 2 x Pink Triangle PT1, 2 x LP12; I've used these in all kinds of arm and cart combinations.
I can honestly say that today on the 2nd hand market there are suspended sub-chassis, belt drive, TT's that can at least match an LP12 for sound but cost far less and which are therefore IMO better VFM. That's why I still think it's over hyped or overrated.
Personally if it had a good arm on it I'd pay about £300 max for an LP12 with a working Valhalla, black springs and pre-cirkus bearing etc
Additionally there are IMHO & IME some damn fine vintage Direct Drives that will show an LP12 a clean pair of heels but won't set you back as much - The JVC you bought SF, the Sony PS2250 I'm listening to right now, a Denon DP60L I own.
Sorry Cafe Latte but as good as it is an SL1210 IME doesn't come into that bracket as the LP12 is much more 'musical'.
An SP10 will, IMHO, walk all over an LP12 but obviously unless you are a very lucky Mother Luvva and can find a bargain (I think I was) it can also set you back quite a bit more too.
Anyone owned an LP12 and a Logic DM101 and / or an STD 305? The latter are 2 TT's I would dearly love to try out. How do they compare?
(P.S. FWIW If you ever come across a working Sony PS2250 BUY IT
!!!!! If it comes with original arm and plinth simply rehouse it & the arm in a solid birch ply plinth and away you go. They are rare and seem to go for little money compared to its' contemporary's but they are excellent DD's and I can't recommend them highly enough to be honest)
Anyhow diatribe and verbal shits over with for now.