DL103 mods on DL110

deeply dp
Post Reply
kid vic
junior member
junior member
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 07:48
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

DL103 mods on DL110

Post by kid vic » 02 Oct 2017 06:45

Has anyone tried these mods (new body and cantilever) on a DL110? Will an aftermarket DL103 body fit a DL110?

I'm thinking of trying this body on mine if anyone has tried it I'm curious of results.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LNIAAOSw ... s-l300.jpg

Freddymac1
member
member
Posts: 47
Joined: 03 May 2015 00:19

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by Freddymac1 » 05 Oct 2017 02:17

I do not think you will gain anything with the 110. That was done on the 103 because of the plastic housing added sound due to resonances. They also add shot and potting material. Some rave over the sonic change, but it isn't cheap and you can destroy your cart in the process. Also your arm has to counter balance the added weigh.

audiopile
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2181
Joined: 11 Feb 2010 06:48
Location: Milwaukee ,Wi. USA

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by audiopile » 05 Oct 2017 04:37

Big issue is the DL-110 is much higher compliance than a DL-103 -at least part of what is going on with the rebodied DL-103's is increasing the mass (indirectly)of the tonearm to better accommodate that low compliance. Dl-110 does not need increased mass. Dl-110 ALSO does not look like it can be disassembled in the same fashion as a 103 series cart - more I think about this - it's a bad idea.

kid vic
junior member
junior member
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 07:48
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by kid vic » 06 Oct 2017 04:43

Seems like the agreement would be to upgrade from over modify the DL110? I'm thinking DL303 or DL304; I'm looking for an increase in resolution without losing the 110's bass response and soundstage. Also, better handling of background noise would be nice. Would using a MC phonostage help any of that?

Freddymac1
member
member
Posts: 47
Joined: 03 May 2015 00:19

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by Freddymac1 » 06 Oct 2017 06:10

I prefer a good quality active stage over a SUT, but I am in the minority. If the noise you hear is hash with hum on top of it, then you need to learn how to determine if it is a function of your TT, arm, or cartridge. As you move to lower output MC cartridges this becomes more critical. My system has two TTs and one is better by a great deal, but being as it is a secondary table I have not bothered to find the problem. In my good TT I just hear very low level hash with the volume up all the way, and the MC section set to 34 db of gain. My cart has a hefty .5 mv output. The way wires are routed and grounded and shielded makes all the difference in the world. Other equipment can also inject noise into a phono stage.

audiopile
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2181
Joined: 11 Feb 2010 06:48
Location: Milwaukee ,Wi. USA

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by audiopile » 06 Oct 2017 16:38

This is really a matter of what arm and other equipment do you want to use with a upgrade from a DL-110 ? I don't think 303 or 304 are still available as new units ? I own and highly recommend the DL-301-II - to my ears these are a excellent match to any of the older AU series SUT's that Denon made for decades - but matching SUT's is important and not at all universal. Recently started using a Lounge Audio Copla -coupled to a one of their LCR-III phono preamps- this allows a easily variable match up to cartridges whose internal impedance runs from 5 ohms - Ortofon Quintet -DL-103r-15 ohms ,Dl-103-40ohms , DL-301-II-40 ohms . This is the advantage of headamps - a bit more universal.

kid vic
junior member
junior member
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 07:48
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by kid vic » 07 Oct 2017 04:41

audiopile wrote:This is really a matter of what arm and other equipment do you want to use with a upgrade from a DL-110 ? I don't think 303 or 304 are still available as new units ? I own and highly recommend the DL-301-II - to my ears these are a excellent match to any of the older AU series SUT's that Denon made for decades - but matching SUT's is important and not at all universal. Recently started using a Lounge Audio Copla -coupled to a one of their LCR-III phono preamps- this allows a easily variable match up to cartridges whose internal impedance runs from 5 ohms - Ortofon Quintet -DL-103r-15 ohms ,Dl-103-40ohms , DL-301-II-40 ohms . This is the advantage of headamps - a bit more universal.
There's a record shop by my house with the same name as you.

I have a Magnepan Unitrac mounted on an Oracle delphi running into a Yamaha CA-600 at the moment; I'm planning on upgrading the unitrac to a DBL Wand+ but my wallet is saying otherwise atm.

Funny that you mention the Copla, I was thinking about buying one after reading some reviews.

audiopile
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2181
Joined: 11 Feb 2010 06:48
Location: Milwaukee ,Wi. USA

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by audiopile » 07 Oct 2017 05:38

The term audiopile was not exactly a term of endearment for ol f@rt know it alls when i started in the stereo biz in the late 60's . Having aged ,gained some knowledge and having a nice collection of opinions on audio equipment - figured it fit me perfectly !

kid vic
junior member
junior member
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 07:48
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by kid vic » 07 Oct 2017 05:51

audiopile wrote:The term audiopile was not exactly a term of endearment for ol f@rt know it alls when i started in the stereo biz in the late 60's . Having aged ,gained some knowledge and having a nice collection of opinions on audio equipment - figured it fit me perfectly !
Hahaha good to know!

Any opinion on my gear? It's all 70's 80's stuff so hopefully you'll have some first hand experience!

audiopile
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2181
Joined: 11 Feb 2010 06:48
Location: Milwaukee ,Wi. USA

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by audiopile » 07 Oct 2017 06:13

I worked for the local Magnipan dealer in the 80's-90's - the Unitrac is a much better arm than it's been given credit for - we also sold Oracle's - like every other suspended chassis table - they required careful set up - but once settled in would demonstrate why they were worth the effort. The wand seems like a excellent choice for the Dl-103/103r.

kid vic
junior member
junior member
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 07:48
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by kid vic » 07 Oct 2017 06:23

I don't doubt the Unitrac is good (I haven't yet seen a bad review of it), but from what I've read thus far it doesn't seem to be a good match for Denon carts AND as noted by my other thread it has proved incredibly difficult to replace the cart on. Granted, I'm pretty inexperienced at Cart swapping but the Wand seems much more forgiving.

Someone in my city is selling a DL301, DL303 and a selection of DL103's. My plan is to get a sut (probably lounge audio corda) and use it with my DL110 and sumiko talisman until I get one of the aforementioned Denons. Worse case scenario I'll end up with 4 carts but hopefully only 3.

Any experience with the DL303 or DL301?

audiopile
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2181
Joined: 11 Feb 2010 06:48
Location: Milwaukee ,Wi. USA

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by audiopile » 07 Oct 2017 17:33

Copla is more properly described as a headamp -definitely not a SUT (step up TRANSFORMER).What makes the Copla nice is that you match cart impedance over a pretty wide range by simply rotating a front panel control. Keep in mind that much like the output of a SUT - the capacitance of the interconnect between the Copla and your MM phono input counts - this needs to be as low as possible -Lounge Audio ships the Copla with a pair of short very low capacitance interconnects -perfect for this purpose. You won't want one for any high output cart ( DL-110)-will need one for a LOMC like the DL-301/303. I own a couple of original 301 carts as well as a 301-II -excellent cartridges -track like a Shure in the right arm. Only draw back to the original 301 is it's very light - not a big deal since it's easy enough to add a couple of grams or three ( avoid magnetic steel plates). Lots of tonearms have a pretty steep learning curve - for me -it's always been about the third cart install when my fingers and brain begin to work together.How confident are you that the carts for sale in your area aren't already worn out ?

kid vic
junior member
junior member
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 07:48
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by kid vic » 07 Oct 2017 20:46

As of yet I'm not sure that they are in excellent, collects denon carts it seems and wants to put the magnepan on a on a luxman deck. I might be able to get them inspected before I purchase them.

kid vic
junior member
junior member
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 07:48
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: DL103 mods on DL110

Post by kid vic » 08 Oct 2017 03:46

*excellent condition. He collects denon...

I was rushing and typing that on my phone

Post Reply