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Dual CS 608 Turntable> Needles- Cartridges

Postby ron78rpm » 24 Apr 2012 02:54

I have a Dual CS 608 and I'd like to know where you guys source needles.
I am just setting this TT up. It has a few issues. It has an interchangeable cartridge with a needle for 78s and another for 33s. They are Dual products # DN 156 for 78s and DN 155 E for 33s.
I will not be playing 33s on this Dual, I have another TT for that.
I'm a newbie so if I'm not following protocol let the keepers of the protocol let me know what's correct. :?:
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Re: Dual CS 608 Turntable> Needles- Cartridges

Postby Coffee Phil » 24 Apr 2012 03:19

Hi Ron,

Welcome to the forum, and especially to the fast spinners club.

My cartridge for 78s is a Shure M44C with an N44-3 stylus. I like it but if in the future may may be a Stanton 500 since an assortment of styli are available for them.
Here is valuable link for 78 fans:

http://www.videointerchange.com/vintage_78s.htm

They discuss the Stanton and the styli available for it from Expert Stylus.

I think KAB can supply you with a stylus for the cart which you now have if you want to go that way.

Phil


ron78rpm wrote:I have a Dual CS 608 and I'd like to know where you guys source needles.
I am just setting this TT up. It has a few issues. It has an interchangeable cartridge with a needle for 78s and another for 33s. They are Dual products # DN 156 for 78s and DN 155 E for 33s.
I will not be playing 33s on this Dual, I have another TT for that.
I'm a newbie so if I'm not following protocol let the keepers of the protocol let me know what's correct. :?:
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Re: Dual CS 608 Turntable> Needles- Cartridges

Postby ron78rpm » 24 Apr 2012 03:41

Thanks for the link Phil.
I'd like to use the Dual cartridge. It has a post- rod to recieve a plastic sleeve with the needle on it. The needle on the 78 sleeve seems small to me. A lot smaller than what you would find on an old 78rpm phonograph.
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Re: Dual CS 608 Turntable> Needles- Cartridges

Postby josephazannieri » 24 Apr 2012 05:14

Yo ron78rpm:

Do not worry about the apparent smallness of the stylus cantilever on the Dual cartridge, It will work just fine. I have 2 78 RPM cartridges. One is a Shure V-15IV with a VN4G 2 mil stylus on it. It looks just like the V15IV LP stylus, except the diamond is bigger. I also have a Shure M44 cartridge with a 3 mil Generic Shure stylus on it. It also looks exactly like the Shure N44-7 LP stylus except the diamond is bigger. You don't want to use those old fashioned needles with the screw in styli. You want to use cartridges and styli with higher compliance. A 78 RPM cart that tracks at 2-4 grams will work just fine, and will preserve your 78's. You will have to determine the correct ID of your Dual cart. It may be a Shure, or it may be an Ortofon, or it may be something else. You may have to use pictures to match it. A number of companies made carts for Dual.

You will not understand about preservation of records until you come upon a truly pristine 78. Most 78's are not in great shape, particularly the popular music that got played to death. Really clean 78's are rare as hen's teeth. I sent Phil a transfer of a truly pristine 78 that I got from my father's collection. Dad didn't play it because he didn't like it. I loved it. Pristine 78's are almost as good as playing the master disc. They are really quiet, and they have an impact and solidity that have to be heard to be believed. You will NOT want to use an old fashioned low compliance pickup that tracks at more than 10 grams grams on them, because you will not want to risk losing the peaks and the high frequencies. A good mono cart, like a GE RPX or VR II will sound good, but my M.O. has always been to use a modern high compliance pickup and the correct EQ with a little high frequency boost to get back the edge and the vocal sibilants. Keeps the records clean and quiet.

There are a VERY small number of post 1955 RIAA equalized 78's and a few that were pressed in vinyl. I have a half-dozen post 1955's, which have a REAL high end, and one album of vinyl 78's. The vinyl 78's are remarkably quiet.

A piece of unsolicited advice... Don't try to read the record label while it's spinning. You'll just get really dizzy.

And good luck from the old guy who watches the records go round and round and round and round and round.....

Joe Z.
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Re: Dual CS 608 Turntable> Needles- Cartridges

Postby ron78rpm » 24 Apr 2012 19:40

Thanks a lot for the information Joe.
All the 78s I have are from my Father's Jazz collection and my step Mother's classical- opera and pop- show tunes. I have yet to inventory them.
My father categorized his and they are in cases- hard luggage style cases made for 78 storage. I need to condense them in the cases then I could store some of my step moms stuff in them.
The cartridge is a Dual and I'm going to try and see if I can find a source for the needle- sleeve. If not, in the long run, I will replace the cartridge if I can't find the needle for the Dual set up.
I am going through the old threads and getting good information from them.
I'm glad I found this site.
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