What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Coffee Phil » 09 Dec 2019 06:52

Hi Big B5515,

I had never seen any country music on a Diamond disc. I figured that old curmudgeon Tom would not have it. I’ll have to seek some out.

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Didn't buy any 78 RPM records today, just 3 more early country selections on 80 RPM Diamond Discs, close enough?
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Flip sides are 51422- (torn label) Arkansas Traveller Breakdown, 51459- Prisoner's Song, and 51608, (missing label) She'll Be Coming Around The Mountain. Aside from labels on 2 without sleeves, all these $3 selections were in well preserved condition, and played very well.

While I thought I only had found the cylinder of Way Out West In Kansas, seems I now have 2 good copies of 51459, although it's always nice to find a few duplicates of favorite records to keep with my extra Diamond Disc phonograph.

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Big B5515 » 09 Dec 2019 18:12

I've found quite a few Vernon Dalhart records with a country flavor to at least one side, however the Blue Ridge Duo was a new one to me, with a big red star indicating Tom's distaste and no returns, from what I had read.
It's always nice to find a fresh stack of diamond discs in a store at a reasonable price, and in good shape. I sort of feel like I should have grabbed a few more unfamiliar ones, or as they don't seem fast sellers, at least go back there with my modified portable battery record player someday to have a second look. Limited space, and funds persuaded me to leave them behind.
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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by circularvibes » 09 Dec 2019 18:29

Big B, I always thought the red star meant dealer copies given free or at lower cost to promote the phonograph and that they could not be resold at standard prices. As to "Country" on Edison records, it was actually still considered "Folk" or "Regional" music. Bluegrass music was still considered folk music too but it was well represented on recordings of limited run pressings. "Country" as a term to my knowledge came from WSM broadcasting the Grand Ole Opry and records from that region, therefore promoting music not of the city but of relevance to people of the countryside. Vernon Dalhart was the first person to have a "Country" hit record around 1926. All that said, I very much like Vernon Dalharts records but have not heard an Edison recording of him yet. I think your finds are very interesting.

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Bob Dillon » 09 Dec 2019 18:33

Red Star issues did indeed fall on the dealer if they didn't sell, couldn't be returned.

By the the time the country craze hit in the mid 1920's I don't know how much input Tom E. had anymore with A & R decisions at the company. Charles Edison was running the show. The Edison company with their years of flagging sales did try to rejuvenate the catalog a bit with some more adventurous fare, including even a few blues issues by singers like Rosa Henderson. One of the true country acts that recorded for Edison was the Stoneman Family, or just Ernest Stoneman, aka the 'Blue Ridge Mountaineer'. I enjoy the Stonemans.

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Bob Dillon » 09 Dec 2019 18:37

circularvibes wrote:
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Bluegrass music was still considered folk music too but it was well represented on recordings of limited
Bluegrass wasn't a genre at all in the 20's. Bill Monroe synthesized the elements that became known as Bluegrass in the late 30's and 40's.

There are plenty of string bands that made records in the 20's, like Charlie Poole's group or whatever, but they aren't Bluegrass.

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Bob Dillon » 09 Dec 2019 20:52

A playlist of some country / country-ish Edison Blue Amberol cylinders, all acoustically dubbed from Diamond Discs as was the practice for the Edison BA cylinder by that point in time. http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/hillbilly.php

One of the Blue Ridge Duo was Gene Austin, another pop singer like Vernon Dalhart who crossed over into "hillbilly" themed music in the 1920's, though not as extensively as Dalhart. I don't think Austin had a hillbilly hit anywhere near like Dalhart did with the Wreck of the Old 97 in 1924, although Austin's pop hit My Blue Heaven in 1927 was probably on par with Dalhart's WotO97 in terms of sales.

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by circularvibes » 09 Dec 2019 21:35

I enjoy Gene Austin also. He was as prolific as Vernon Dalhart. I have heard many of Gene's songs where he was more of a crooner as well as his hillbilly records. I wish today's youth could listen to this stuff and see how a voice should sound on a popular record without all the studio gimmicks.

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Bob Dillon » 10 Dec 2019 02:23

This thread made me think of Joe Bussard, surely some here have heard of him. Joe's one of the premier collectors of country, jazz and blues 78's. He really favors the earlier stuff though, like 1920's and 30's. There are a lot of videos on YouTube of Joe spinning his shellac...

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Big B5515 » 13 Dec 2019 02:16

Big B5515 wrote:
09 Dec 2019 18:12

It's always nice to find a fresh stack of diamond discs in a store at a reasonable price, and in good shape. I sort of feel like I should have grabbed a few more unfamiliar ones, or as they don't seem fast sellers, at least go back there with my modified portable battery record player someday to have a second look. Limited space, and funds persuaded me to leave them behind.
I decided to listen to my own advice, and tote that record player back to the antique shop today, I left with 9 more selections for $24 I heard something interesting on. I've yet to fully evaluate them, however all except maybe a couple dished ones appear in halfway decent shape. Another one by the Blue Ridge Duo, and a few Hawaiian selections amongst the bunch.
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the numbers are 50404, 50455, 50465, 50469, 50584, 50678, 51498, 51674, 51707.

I also stopped at a second antique mall, and decided to take a chance on some 78s for a change, a lot of promotional\radio station copies in both shellac and vinyl, many country like Earnest Tub, ect, and even a few children's\Christmas records in picture sleeves, most I looked at appeared in very nice condition and the whole box was $20
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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Coffee Phil » 13 Dec 2019 18:55

Hi Big B,

I'm impressed that you have a portable which will play Diamond discs! I have been playing with my Mister Disc and have gotten it to play 78s. The speed is good on the wall wart but a bit slow on the internal three C cells. I'll have to put together an external battery pack to but out ~ 5 volts to crate dig fast spinning records. Also I haven't worked out the summing out of phase for vertical records, but for crate digging just listening in stereo is probably sufficient.

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Big B5515 wrote:
09 Dec 2019 18:12

It's always nice to find a fresh stack of diamond discs in a store at a reasonable price, and in good shape. I sort of feel like I should have grabbed a few more unfamiliar ones, or as they don't seem fast sellers, at least go back there with my modified portable battery record player someday to have a second look. Limited space, and funds persuaded me to leave them behind.
I decided to listen to my own advice, and tote that record player back to the antique shop today, I left with 9 more selections for $24 I heard something interesting on. I've yet to fully evaluate them, however all except maybe a couple dished ones appear in halfway decent shape. Another one by the Blue Ridge Duo, and a few Hawaiian selections amongst the bunch.
IMG_2314.JPG
the numbers are 50404, 50455, 50465, 50469, 50584, 50678, 51498, 51674, 51707.

I also stopped at a second antique mall, and decided to take a chance on some 78s for a change, a lot of promotional\radio station copies in both shellac and vinyl, many country like Earnest Tub, ect, and even a few children's\Christmas records in picture sleeves, most I looked at appeared in very nice condition and the whole box was $20

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download/file.php?id=70232

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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by Big B5515 » 14 Dec 2019 02:46

I modified this beat up little idler drive Colombia record player around 20 years back for the purpose. It required retrofitting a Chuo Denshi stereo ceramic cartridge with 78 needle, an extra pair of tone arm wires, a DPDT switch for vert\lat selection, and a sleeve over the 45 step on motor spindle made from a brass nut which I carefully turned down until it ran at about 79 rpm. As front headphone jack is attenuated, I also added a speaker jack on rear that disables internal speaker when connected so I could enjoy my day's diamond disc and 78 finds through a decent extension speaker at a motel, without getting feedback. It has a mechanically governed motor, and uses 6 D batteries.
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Re: What 78 RPM Did You Buy Today?

Post by PioneerFan » 23 Dec 2019 14:49

Picked up a beautiful Bing Crosby Decca album at Savers the other day, for $1.20.