Jukebox Record - Possible To Play?

[benregn]

I just bought a jukebox vinyl record. Is it possible to play it on a regular turntable? It has a very big hole in the middle.

[JaS]

Hi,
You can either use a clip in convertor or some turntables come with an adaptor.

If you do a google search for '45rpm adaptor' there are lots of suppliers.





Regards,
JaS

[Spyes]

This (seems to be) a regular 45 rpm record. Make sure your TT can play 45's (most can, anyways), and most will usually come with a 45 adapter already. You just put the adapter on the spindle and the 45 will sit well on your TT well
Happy listenin'!

[mysticfred]

...or find one of these to play it on, an RCA Autochanger record player

[damnspynovels]

Im actually more intrigued than anything that major labels were still pressing jukebox specific 45s in 1999 (noting that this isn't a regular 45 - as per the detail bottom right of the label area).

How peculiar.

[valerie_graunch]

This (seems to be) a regular 45 rpm record.

It's a regular 45 in those places where the large central holes are the standard. In Britain, where it looks like this record comes from, 7" singles generally have the same size holes as long-playing records.

[Willem1671]

7 inch 45 rpm records are supposed to have large holes, they were designed that way by RCA. In Britain they seem to want to do everything different. Goes for 7 inch 45's, driving on the wrong side of the road, down to tv pictures that won't fit a wide screen tv. Other than that, it is the best place to be with friendly folks and the best beer in the world.

To push out the center of a solid centered 45, you need a dinking tool. However, most modern British 45's are made of rediculous thick vinyl. The dinking tool will have some trouble punching the hole. So be careful and make sure the tool is properly centered.

Willem

[CykoMF]

If you ever decide to pitch it I'd be glad to trade you something for it.
Just let me know.

[Steerpike_jhb]

In Britain they seem to want to do everything different. Goes for 7 inch 45's,

The story I heard was that it was RCA who tried to do everything different, to make their disc as incompatible with the CBS disc as possible.

British (European) 45s and American 45s were also cut at different speeds. The cutting lathes has synchronous motors tied to the 50Hz or 60Hz mains frequency. With the possible gear ratios, you couldn't get 45.00 RPM fom a 50Hz syncronous motor, so they were cut at 45.11 RPM.

Many/most 45s sold here used to have a small centre hole, but the central circular inch or so of plastic was pre-punched almost all the way round - just having 4 thin spokes - so you could push it out very easily with your fingers.
But later on they gave up on this.

[Willem1671]

A bit late!

Indeed , back in the late 40's and early 50's there was heavy fighting between these two giants. But compromises were made, so one could say there were no losers, only winners. Back in these days the USA had, and still has, a very important industry: entertainment. So the industry served diners, pool halls and restaurants with music machines, juke boxes. And the smaller format 45's could be changed more quickly if the mechanism could place the record reliably on the turntable, either a normal platter ( AMI-ROWE and ROCK OLA) or some kind of vertical mechanism such as Wurlitzer en Seeburg developped for the new format. So one could say it was the juke box industry that saved the 45.....For normal use the limited playing time made it less popular for home use, but perfect for use in juke boxes. And, later on, for distributing hitparade records. That was the time the RCA changers became extremely popular with the public. In a way, these 45's were more flexible because one could stack different artists on the spindle, a 10 or 12 inch record played longer, but one had to listen to only one artist for as long as the side lasted. The juke box industry had another great idea, automatic speed change. This was done by using 7 inch records with a small hole. If the juke box detects the small hole, it either electronically or mechanically changes the rpm to 33. The juke box album was born. Sometimes 4 tracks per side. In Europe, the entertainment (far more traditional) industry was quite different, less outdoor entertainment and totally different habits per country. So that's what made the confusion what to use as standard. Initially, the 45's pressed in Commonwealth countries had the 7 inch with centers that could be punched out, later on they made solid centers only. For juke box use special records ( often different artists per side, not available for the public) were pressed with a large hole, Italy did the same. In Holland, there was a mix between records that had the large hole and those that had the removable center. Later on, roughly 1972 till the end, only the large hole format was used. In the UK and the Commonwealth, changers were very popular. And these were nearly all equipped with the small hole changer spindle and also featured the then still popular 78 format, hence the small hole adaption. So habits, confusion and very different lifestyles were part of the differences in formats. Interesting!

[GlutenAllergyBoy]

I feel a 45 rpm adapter is the way to go, as some kinds of press-in replacement "middles" don't let the record sit down flat on your platter. These days, if I buy an old single with a replacement centre I throw that centre away and use the adapter.
Lots of old UK singles do indeed have a centre that was easy to push-out, to make them juke-box friendly.
There used to be a trade in ex-jukebox singles, of records that had dropped out of the charts - they were sold at reduced price in non-record shops - newsagents sometimes had a box of them for sale.
One sometimes sees modern jukebox singles, which have the artist / title / label details pressed into the record, rather than a coloured label. They are sometimes sold second-hand accompanied by the little card name-tag that told punters what number to select, to play that record on the juke-box.