Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by JDJX » 03 Nov 2019 15:16

Let me throw this in...
An accurate speaker will sound great with all genres of music.

I can not understand how some will say that a given speaker sounds great with basically just their favorite genre of music and then conclude that it is a great speaker.

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by Mr Pig » 03 Nov 2019 16:29

JDJX wrote:
03 Nov 2019 15:16
I can not understand how some will say that a given speaker sounds great with basically just their favorite genre of music and then conclude that it is a great speaker.
Technically, I agree with you but I never loose sight of the fact that our hobby is totally subjective. I don't want speakers that only sound ok with classical music but I'm not going to be dogmatic about it. The only person who has to be happy with any stereo is its owner.

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by JoeE SP9 » 03 Nov 2019 23:21

JDJX wrote:
03 Nov 2019 15:16
Let me throw this in...
An accurate speaker will sound great with all genres of music.

I can not understand how some will say that a given speaker sounds great with basically just their favorite genre of music and then conclude that it is a great speaker.
What he said to the letter. =D>

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by tlscapital » 04 Nov 2019 00:55

Mr Pig wrote:
03 Nov 2019 16:29
JDJX wrote:
03 Nov 2019 15:16
I can not understand how some will say that a given speaker sounds great with basically just their favorite genre of music and then conclude that it is a great speaker.
Technically, I agree with you but I never loose sight of the fact that our hobby is totally subjective. I don't want speakers that only sound ok with classical music but I'm not going to be dogmatic about it. The only person who has to be happy with any stereo is its owner.
Yes exactly, although the OP was unarguably not specifically objective, clear and defined, the record collectors who do play their 60+ year old records and want the best out of them do know that they need the "proper" gear for that.

The gear doesn't need to be as old, although many take that road, and they don't need to sound like it sounded then, necessarily I may add, but it has to be adapted to the type of records in the first place. Nothing is "universal" there !

Now evidently that as such does not imply a type of music as such but an era of support format. That is a relevant take. It is what is most important if one wants to get the most out of his playback sessions that starts at the stylus tip.

After that every bit in the amplification of the signal to the speakers can be made of as many kinds indeed. And I've always been, if impressed, put off by the lack of musicality that was given from those higher-end phono gear demos.

So detailed and precise, all instruments and voices are distinct but the whole picture is seemingly gone. No-no baby mojo workout, nu but swinging, no feet tapping... No groove to the tune ! Just speakers technical performance.

"Accuracy" from speakers, maybe but what is it about ? Timing ? Dynamic ? Echo control ? And "refine" then... ? Using "generic" positive magazines audio critics terms like "accuracy" or "refine" aims for commercialism, not better definition.

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by paddypaws » 17 Nov 2019 21:24

I have some ‘refined’ speakers that are clear and detailed and good at reproducing subtleties such as Rogers LS 3/5a and Q acoustic 3050s. I like both at normal listening levels with all music types. However if I really want to move some air and create some loud excitement then the Bose 901 will kick out huge SPLs, not refined but exciting to listen to and the more the volume goes up the better they sound unlike the first two mentioned. Absolutely no dymanic compression with 901s. So yes if that’s a sound you want or like then a speaker can be too refined to deliver that in my experience. I have a lot of listening hours on ATC scm200s which are studio monitors. They are refined but quite fatiguing to listen to very loud for long periods. I like both depending on what I’m listening to and the circumstances.
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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by Mr Pig » 17 Nov 2019 21:32

paddypaws wrote:
17 Nov 2019 21:24
However if I really want to move some air and create some loud excitement then the Bose 901 will kick out huge SPLs...
Bose get a lot of stick from audiophiles, and a lot of it wholly justified in my opinion, but whenever I heard those old omni Bose speakers I thought they were great! Stuff Hi-Fi, we're makin' music here man. They rock. Always meant to pick up an old pair to play with.

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by paddypaws » 17 Nov 2019 21:42

Mr Pig wrote:
17 Nov 2019 21:32
paddypaws wrote:
17 Nov 2019 21:24
However if I really want to move some air and create some loud excitement then the Bose 901 will kick out huge SPLs...
Bose get a lot of stick from audiophiles, and a lot of it wholly justified in my opinion, but whenever I heard those old omni Bose speakers I thought they were great! Stuff Hi-Fi, we're makin' music here man. They rock. Always meant to pick up an old pair to play with.
Do it, they’re fun, they really kick ass! They need the active eq that goes with them though that’s mandatory.

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by rewfew » 18 Nov 2019 17:54

Here's an interesting review and testing of the 901's. It's refreshing to read a frank, warts and all take on loudspeakers. Without all the effete, pontificating common to the review process.
http://noaudiophile.com/Bose_901/

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by lenjack » 18 Nov 2019 19:48

I have seen this review before. What was it's date? I was an audio salesman in the late 70s, and sold some Bose speakers, although I personally did not much care for them. I think I sold 1 set of 901s, and a bunch of 301s. I do have to admit, that 901's along with the big Bose receiver, were very impressive, at that time, but refined, they certainly were not, but folks who bought them were not looking for refinement.

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Re: Can a speaker sound too "refined" ?

Post by rewfew » 18 Nov 2019 23:09

Date? I've no idea. I'd presume relatively recent. I notice in his field trips tab a date of 2015 from the earliest listed. Irrelevant to whatever date, his review seems to take in your assessment of the speaker. I just enjoy his reviewing style. Which he does quite a bit of measurement and revision of crossover anomalies using dsp. But mainly, his frank appraisal and good old coarse language. Refreshing from the usual bon vivant jive to suffer through.