Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by vince1 » 13 Sep 2019 12:40

I think you are proving Mike's point: you are only looking at visible surface debris. It's the audible stuff that matters. We've done many tests on all types of records and a mere wiping does little to solve the problem. This is why people hear noise on brand new records that have been wiped down. To be free of background noise, they need to be wet cleaned thoroughly, with contaminants extracted and static neutralized (preferably with agents that maintain adequate lubrication).

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by cafe latte » 14 Sep 2019 01:02

vince1 wrote:
13 Sep 2019 12:40
I think you are proving Mike's point: you are only looking at visible surface debris. It's the audible stuff that matters. We've done many tests on all types of records and a mere wiping does little to solve the problem. This is why people hear noise on brand new records that have been wiped down. To be free of background noise, they need to be wet cleaned thoroughly, with contaminants extracted and static neutralized (preferably with agents that maintain adequate lubrication).
A cheap disc washer does not use vacuum records dry in a rack which is what I use and what I used for my experiment and grooves were very very clean, which was my point The disc washer has brushes submerged in cleaning solution, the brushes do not just push the dirt into the grooves records come out very very clean indeed even under high magnification. As long as cleaning solution is not reused and the one that comes with the disc washer is not used. Water with a few drops of detergent, with isopropyl alcohol added, the amount dependant on how dirty the record is. When a batch of records are cleaned next rinse each record under tap protecting avoiding label and then I squirt the record with distilled water to the point of run off. Some people actually rewash the records after rinsing in the washer with distilled but a good wetting seems to be enough to avoid drying marks. This process leaves grooves super clean.
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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by vince1 » 14 Sep 2019 02:49

OK, but what happens to the contaminants the Discwasher absorbs? Do you soak, rinse, and clean it after every pass? Nobody does. They just apply it to the next side. As a result, cross contamination occurs. It was an easy man's design in the '70's; we are way passed that now. Even the D4 solution was poor. Sorry, but technology moves forward, regardless of application, and we need to embrace it. Just my opinion.

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by ripblade » 14 Sep 2019 03:12

The original Discwasher was never intended to be a wet clean record washer, but an on-deck duster that used humidity to help dust stick to the bristles. Compared to the other 'cleaners' available at the time, it was pretty good if used and maintained correctly.

I understand there's a new one based on a full wet cleaning system with replaceable pads. It's not something I'd recommend, for all the reasons vince1 listed above.

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by bra10n » 14 Sep 2019 04:29

Let me share my cleaning process :lol:

Like most on here I have the need to clean both new and 2nd hand records when they first come into my possession and before they touch any stylus. It seems to me that if we are talking about cleaning by hand then there are 2 schools of thought... for example to clean a particular grubby second-hand find, some will clean over a number of times while some aim to go the 'heavy-handed' route and clean once. I fall into the second category :D

I use a particular formulation of electronic circuit board cleaner in conjunction with dishwashing liquid and ordinary running tap water, period. I DO NOT WIPE anything on a record, wet or dry. A simple shake and the excess water is gone and then these are placed in a rack to dry. No water marks, no need to clean twice 8)

This is a method I trialled over the space of 12 months, incorporating 10 cleans... after the first clean the sample was left for 3 months, and the a subsequent clean every month thereafter. I have found no adverse reaction to any record (not shellac) cleaned this way.

The product contains the following:

%[weight] Name

30-60 isopropanol
30-60 n-hexane
<10 acetone
30-60 hydrocarbon propellant

The key to this product being ideal IMO is it's miscibility.

YMMV.

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by cafe latte » 14 Sep 2019 05:14

ripblade wrote:
14 Sep 2019 03:12
The original Discwasher was never intended to be a wet clean record washer, but an on-deck duster that used humidity to help dust stick to the bristles. Compared to the other 'cleaners' available at the time, it was pretty good if used and maintained correctly.

I understand there's a new one based on a full wet cleaning system with replaceable pads. It's not something I'd recommend, for all the reasons vince1 listed above.
Mine is a disco antistat ad it has brushes not pads which I think are better than pads.
Chris

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by cafe latte » 14 Sep 2019 05:17

vince1 wrote:
14 Sep 2019 02:49
OK, but what happens to the contaminants the Discwasher absorbs? Do you soak, rinse, and clean it after every pass? Nobody does. They just apply it to the next side. As a result, cross contamination occurs. It was an easy man's design in the '70's; we are way passed that now. Even the D4 solution was poor. Sorry, but technology moves forward, regardless of application, and we need to embrace it. Just my opinion.
I wash about 8 records max, which all get rinsed too. Fluid it disposed of and brushes and trough washed out. They come out seriously clean, I have even manged to clean some charity shop messes to very clean indeed. I do though rinse first if a record is very very dirty the same as you would wet a car before cleaning it is it was very dirty.
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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by countingteeth » 14 Sep 2019 07:26

cafe latte wrote:
14 Sep 2019 05:17
vince1 wrote:
14 Sep 2019 02:49
OK, but what happens to the contaminants the Discwasher absorbs? Do you soak, rinse, and clean it after every pass? Nobody does. They just apply it to the next side. As a result, cross contamination occurs. It was an easy man's design in the '70's; we are way passed that now. Even the D4 solution was poor. Sorry, but technology moves forward, regardless of application, and we need to embrace it. Just my opinion.
I wash about 8 records max, which all get rinsed too. Fluid it disposed of and brushes and trough washed out. They come out seriously clean, I have even manged to clean some charity shop messes to very clean indeed. I do though rinse first if a record is very very dirty the same as you would wet a car before cleaning it is it was very dirty.
Chris

The contaminants the Discwasher absorbs go into the bath of a Disco Anti-Stat ?

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by cafe latte » 14 Sep 2019 09:19

countingteeth wrote:
14 Sep 2019 07:26
cafe latte wrote:
14 Sep 2019 05:17
vince1 wrote:
14 Sep 2019 02:49
OK, but what happens to the contaminants the Discwasher absorbs? Do you soak, rinse, and clean it after every pass? Nobody does. They just apply it to the next side. As a result, cross contamination occurs. It was an easy man's design in the '70's; we are way passed that now. Even the D4 solution was poor. Sorry, but technology moves forward, regardless of application, and we need to embrace it. Just my opinion.
I wash about 8 records max, which all get rinsed too. Fluid it disposed of and brushes and trough washed out. They come out seriously clean, I have even manged to clean some charity shop messes to very clean indeed. I do though rinse first if a record is very very dirty the same as you would wet a car before cleaning it is it was very dirty.
Chris

The contaminants the Discwasher absorbs go into the bath of a Disco Anti-Stat ?
The bath is large and if 8 records are cleaned and rinsed there are no issues.
Chris

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by countingteeth » 14 Sep 2019 10:49

cafe latte wrote:
14 Sep 2019 09:19
countingteeth wrote:
14 Sep 2019 07:26
cafe latte wrote:
14 Sep 2019 05:17

I wash about 8 records max, which all get rinsed too. Fluid it disposed of and brushes and trough washed out. They come out seriously clean, I have even manged to clean some charity shop messes to very clean indeed. I do though rinse first if a record is very very dirty the same as you would wet a car before cleaning it is it was very dirty.
Chris

The contaminants the Discwasher absorbs go into the bath of a Disco Anti-Stat ?
The bath is large and if 8 records are cleaned and rinsed there are no issues.
Chris
Are you sure you are using this :

https://www.etsy.com/listing/126938646/ ... -record-lp

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by cafe latte » 14 Sep 2019 12:16

countingteeth wrote:
14 Sep 2019 10:49
cafe latte wrote:
14 Sep 2019 09:19
countingteeth wrote:
14 Sep 2019 07:26



The contaminants the Discwasher absorbs go into the bath of a Disco Anti-Stat ?
The bath is large and if 8 records are cleaned and rinsed there are no issues.
Chris
Are you sure you are using this :

https://www.etsy.com/listing/126938646/ ... -record-lp
No google Disco antistat.
Chris

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by vince1 » 14 Sep 2019 13:32

Ok, I see now Chris. We have been talking about two totally different things. Originally, the Discwasher brush was what we were discussing, not a disc-washing tank device.

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by ripblade » 14 Sep 2019 15:10

cafe latte wrote:
14 Sep 2019 05:14
ripblade wrote:
14 Sep 2019 03:12
The original Discwasher was never intended to be a wet clean record washer, but an on-deck duster that used humidity to help dust stick to the bristles. Compared to the other 'cleaners' available at the time, it was pretty good if used and maintained correctly.

I understand there's a new one based on a full wet cleaning system with replaceable pads. It's not something I'd recommend, for all the reasons vince1 listed above.
Mine is a disco antistat ad it has brushes not pads which I think are better than pads.
Chris
Ok, so you're not talking about the name brand Discwasher, then. It's a completely different product intended to remove light dust between plays. The bottle of fluid that fits in the handle should last a year or two, spinning records every day.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/65/9a ... 1cfca7.jpg

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by cafe latte » 15 Sep 2019 00:44

ripblade wrote:
14 Sep 2019 15:10
cafe latte wrote:
14 Sep 2019 05:14
ripblade wrote:
14 Sep 2019 03:12
The original Discwasher was never intended to be a wet clean record washer, but an on-deck duster that used humidity to help dust stick to the bristles. Compared to the other 'cleaners' available at the time, it was pretty good if used and maintained correctly.

I understand there's a new one based on a full wet cleaning system with replaceable pads. It's not something I'd recommend, for all the reasons vince1 listed above.
Mine is a disco antistat ad it has brushes not pads which I think are better than pads.
Chris
Ok, so you're not talking about the name brand Discwasher, then. It's a completely different product intended to remove light dust between plays. The bottle of fluid that fits in the handle should last a year or two, spinning records every day.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/65/9a ... 1cfca7.jpg
No this is what I have, but fluid needs to go directly in the bin and make your ownm rest is very good though.
https://www.audiotrends.com.au/knosti-d ... wYEALw_wcB
Chris

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Re: Cleaning Vinyl (Again!)- An Interesting Method

Post by dagfinn » 16 Sep 2019 14:35

My carbo-vac prototype. 10mm silikone hose, tape. Vacuum goes in the end ;).
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