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Advice on improving my setup

Postby jkilla » 23 Feb 2012 17:25

I've got a very novice setup going on in my apartment, and I'm looking at ways of improving it (not necessarily all at once)

I've got a Technics SL-BD24 TT with a Behringer UFO202 USB Pre-amp. It's hooked into my computer, which in turn I playback my vinyl through, as well as record etc. The computer is connected to a Logitech Z3i 2.1 Speaker set.

first question: By doing my playback through the computer system (USB Pre-amp to Sound card to Speakers) is there a noticeable difference in the sound? I realise there's some analog-to-digital chaos in that picture, but I do have the ability to line out directly from my pre-amp without having to go through the computer.
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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby Hanuman » 23 Feb 2012 19:12

jkilla wrote:By doing my playback through the computer system (USB Pre-amp to Sound card to Speakers) is there a noticeable difference in the sound?

Yes, there is. In your case (and in most cases) it would be appreciably better to listen direct but I get the impression that what you've got now is just the turntable, USB interface and computer. If that's the case then I think you need a step-by-step upgrade program.

Your key initial objective, IMO, should be to get away from the USB interface for the actual phono-stage duties because the Behringer won't be much chop in that area, frankly.

The most obvious first step as far as I can see is to get hold of an '80s-era integrated amplifier with a phono input (on the assumption that you want to do this on a tight budget) - something along the lines of a NAD 3020 would do fine. Not a permanent installation, to be sure, but cheap and already better than what you've got now. You might be able to connect the speakers to the amp (no idea how the Logitech is connected) via the speaker outputs or, maybe, a pre-output. The latter facility is rare in cheap integrated amps but the good ol' 3020 has that feature too. You can still use your Behringer in this configuration. You switch it to line input mode and connect it to the tape-out sockets of the integrated amp while feeding its (the Behringer's) output to the tape-in sockets of the amp. In this way the computer becomes a virtual tape deck and you can listen to anything on the computer through the amp by selecting "monitor" on the amp. It's the same for any integrated amp of that era.

The speakers would be next in line for upgrading and with freedom from the restriction of "computer-output-friendliness" you'd have a vast choice because you've got a real amplifier by this stage.

Then I'd turn my attention to the turntable itself and look for something with better pedigree, again second hand from the golden era - there are bucket-loads of good suggestions on Vinyl Engine and you'll need to look at your cartridge options at about the same time.

By this stage, if you've chosen wisely, you'll have a really nice starter vinyl playback system and my suggestion at that point would be to get a better computer interface.

I realise there's some analog-to-digital chaos in that picture, but I do have the ability to line out directly from my pre-amp without having to go through the computer.
Mmmm... If you're talking about the UFO202 then you might like to check that again because I've got a feeling that the line sockets will only feed output when connected to the computer, not looped though internally.
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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby jkilla » 24 Feb 2012 02:06

Thanks, Hanuman.

One of the major restrictions my apartment itself. I live in a very small apartment, and as well, I cannot have my audio operating at loud volumes.

Although the NAD 3020 option is very attractive from an audio perspective, it is a rather large piece of equipment compared to my current phono pre-amp. Could I get away with a better phono pre-amp + Amplified Speakers ?

The UFO202 has two outputs, a 3.5 mm stereo jack for Monitoring with headphones, as well as a stereo RCA output; The UFO202 has to be plugged into a computer for it to work, but it doesn't work through the actual PC / soundcard itself; I imagine the sound coming out of the two outputs is just line-leveled output from the TT itself.
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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby Hanuman » 24 Feb 2012 03:35

jkilla wrote:Could I get away with a better phono pre-amp + Amplified Speakers ?

Absolutely. Not a bad idea.
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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby dlaloum » 28 Feb 2012 14:07

The two bits of your system that most influence the end result (ie the two components with the greatest colouration and distortion) are the two transducers... the cartridge at one end, the speakers at the other.

Get good speakers!

There are good amplified speakers out there, there are also very small setups using compact speakers in near field with digital amps that are tiny but work very well...
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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby jkilla » 04 Mar 2012 18:08

Thanks for the reply dlaloum,

I went with exactly what you recommended actually!

I picked up a pair of PSB Alpha B1's bookshelf speakers for less than $190, and I've ordered a small class-T amplifier to go along.

Once I've had a chance to really sit and experiment with this new equipment, I'm looking to research in a better phono preamp, as hanuman recommended.
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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby Danny Dub » 06 Mar 2012 18:02

jkilla wrote:I've got a very novice setup going on in my apartment, and I'm looking at ways of improving it (not necessarily all at once)

I've got a Technics SL-BD24 TT with a Behringer UFO202 USB Pre-amp. It's hooked into my computer, which in turn I playback my vinyl through, as well as record etc. The computer is connected to a Logitech Z3i 2.1 Speaker set.

first question: By doing my playback through the computer system (USB Pre-amp to Sound card to Speakers) is there a noticeable difference in the sound? I realise there's some analog-to-digital chaos in that picture, but I do have the ability to line out directly from my pre-amp without having to go through the computer.


Hi. It depends on how you like to listen to your music. If your anything like me you would not want to miss out on anything that was recorded onto your vinyls. I would listen to vinyls directly from your preamp and rewire your setup so that I could still record my vinyls at the same time.
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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby Danny Dub » 06 Mar 2012 18:04

jkilla wrote:Thanks for the reply dlaloum,

I went with exactly what you recommended actually!

I picked up a pair of PSB Alpha B1's bookshelf speakers for less than $190, and I've ordered a small class-T amplifier to go along.

Once I've had a chance to really sit and experiment with this new equipment, I'm looking to research in a better phono preamp, as hanuman recommended.



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Re: Advice on improving my setup

Postby dlaloum » 27 Mar 2012 15:21

I have a pair of PSB Alpha's which I frequently run with a T-amp - quite a surprising little combo!

When I want to get more serious I can add my powered Gallo subwoofer to it .... it doesn't match my main rig - but it makes good music!
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