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How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby Spudbucket » 11 Aug 2012 16:03

This is really bugging me, and no amount of research will give me an answer.

I understand that in principle all sound is vibrations in the air. I understand that the needle vibrates as it runs over the grooves on a record.

What I don't understand is how such diverse sounds can come from a vibrating needle. For example what kind of groove makes a drum snare sound and what kind of groove makes a human voice singing? I assume they are different depths/shapes or something but can't find any pictures/diagrams.

Whats more, I don't understand how a vibrating needle can simultaneously make the sound of a drum, human voice and various instruments!

As experts I hope you can help me find the answers I'm looking for, any information greatly appreciated!
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Re: How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby pivot » 11 Aug 2012 20:01

The waves in the groove are analogous to the shape of sound waves.

...hence "Analog sound reproduction"

The mechanical waves in the grooves represent sound waves.
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Re: How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby cats squirrel » 11 Aug 2012 20:21

to answer your last question about simultaneous sounds, the groove will be representative of all the sounds, but as one waveform. This waveform, after its been through amplifiers is fed to speakers, where the same waveform (hopefully) will be pushed out into the room. It is your ear/brain that recognizes the different sounds, and sorts them out accordingly. Smart, aren't we? :D
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Re: How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby gvasale » 11 Aug 2012 21:47

Take a step back to when you were a kid. Make a tin can telephone again. Thats the long and short of it except there are no grooves. The tight string between the two cans is the groove
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Re: How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby rewfew » 12 Aug 2012 02:58

Here's a visual aide. It help'd me understand this mystery of velocity and vicissitude's. http://www.vinylrecorder.com/faq.html
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Re: How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby Spudbucket » 12 Aug 2012 18:41

Thanks everyone! I especially liked the link to the diagrams.

Can someone show me some 'sound waves'? I want to see what the sounds actually look like.

How do all the sounds come from one groove? How can high and low notes come from the same thing? When I listen to music I can hear all the things going on at once, if there is only one channel for sound why don't some of the sounds cut out when others come in?

How many factors are there to the grooves, is it just depth or is there additional texture? For example does depth correspond to bass whilst little bumps make other sounds?

I'm finding it hard to articulate what I want to know, I hope you understand!
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Re: How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby cats squirrel » 12 Aug 2012 20:46

Spudbucket wrote:Thanks everyone! I especially liked the link to the diagrams.

Can someone show me some 'sound waves'? I want to see what the sounds actually look like.

How do all the sounds come from one groove? How can high and low notes come from the same thing? When I listen to music I can hear all the things going on at once, if there is only one channel for sound why don't some of the sounds cut out when others come in?

How many factors are there to the grooves, is it just depth or is there additional texture? For example does depth correspond to bass whilst little bumps make other sounds?

I'm finding it hard to articulate what I want to know, I hope you understand!


when your ear hears a sound, or combination of sounds, what is happening is molecules of air are vibrating, the more molecules, the higher the sound pressure. These air molecules hit the timpanic membrane (ear drum). These vibrations are picked up by tiny hairs, and turned into electrical signals that are fed to the brain. The brain has the ability to turn these signals into something meaningful.

When a microphone is used to pickup sound, the same process happens. Molecules of air hit the 'ear drum' in the mic, and this is turned into an electrical signal. So the microphone is reacting to the sound pressure around it, just like the ear. And because it is sound pressure (air molecules), it is a total of all the sounds being picked up, it is not a collection of individual sounds. This combined signal can then be fed to a disc recording lathe, where the signal waveform is transfered to the record. There is one wiggly line (for each channel), one each side of the groove for stereo.

It is our ear/brain that converts the mix into the illusion of individual sounds. A trick like our eyes, which send signals to the brain from the upside down images from our two eyes, turning them into a 3D image, the right way up.

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Re: How do the grooves in records make sound?

Postby rewfew » 13 Aug 2012 04:22

How do all the sounds come from one groove? How can high and low notes come from the same thing? When I listen to music I can hear all the things going on at once, if there is only one channel for sound why don't some of the sounds cut out when others come in?

Brotha, the link clearly shows http://www.vinylrecorder.com/simple.html groove with bass, groove with guitar, groove with bass and guitar. They're all superimposed upon one another. Bass, guitar, vocals, cymbals, everything. Bass, longer wave, guitar, shorter wave, (riding in the bass wave). Amazing and it works. Here's a simple search on google, "what sound looks like" and a couple of neat-o visuals. http://www.privateline.com/TelephoneHis ... waves.html and http://www.everydaylistening.com/articl ... -like.html and http://zenasheville.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... -like.html and viddy this art installation of visible sound http://dvice.com/archives/2012/04/art-exhibit-sho.php and cymatics, check out the video http://benbrodymusic.com/2010/09/18/30/ It took just a few minutes to find all these goodies.
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