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Postby megatrends » 16 Jun 2012 03:46

Okay I have a friend from the old neighborhood who lives up the street from me today in a different neighborhood.

That is all good in itself ...

The problem is every record he owns out of hundreds had damage of some sort. I have never seen anyone who has not taken care of his records yet still loves his records.

He loves records .... has a discwasher from the 70s, properly makes his onw fluid etc etc but all of his records are SH*T!

He claims people did that to his collection at parties but really EVERY record is wounded somehow. he likes to drink beer and maybe this has something to do with it maybe but all are damaged from scratches.

He says these excuses and then when i leave his listening room he has a 5 gallon bucket of paint sitting on top of a stack of records and the records are on their side lying flat!!!!

I've just never seen anyone so careless and then actually look surprised when they hear a bad scratch while listening to records. How can this be a surprise??? lmao.

Anyway it puts me in a tough spot because he is always offering to lend me records and then when he sees one he wants to borrow I cringe mightily.

How do I tell him I do not want to lend him records? he has a decent turntable, he does change the stylus often enough but he just doesn't care for records like he should.

Then to make me even laugh more he acts all careful and flips it between his fingertips like it a prized family airloom. I mean it is truly comical.
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby fscl » 16 Jun 2012 04:31

He can borrow your records and listen to them if they are played on your system.... :)

IIRC :-k :-k you've got minidiscs so you can record the LPs and let him borrow the MD and player.... :)

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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby jc_the_trucker » 16 Jun 2012 04:48

I can honestly say that accidents can happen causing a record to get scratched even if you are reasonably careful. I've done it myself, and alcohol wasn't involved. Granted, I buy my records cheap at second hand stores and such so most of them already have a few scratches. Maybe I'm just not as careful as someone who buys all their records brand new or mint condition. As such, I'm used to a little surface noise, and that makes me really appreciate my better records.

That said, I probably wouldn't let this guy borrow my records either, just like I don't let any of my friends borrow my records. They all think a crosley or plastic AT or Ion or what have you is the same as my JVC, which admittedly isn't perfect, but it's not a record killer. They also like to leave records sitting flat on a chair outside of their covers.... It makes me cringe. Just tell him your a lunatic audiophile who doesn't let anyone touch any of your hardware or media. It works!
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby megatrends » 16 Jun 2012 05:13

jc_the_trucker wrote:I can honestly say that accidents can happen causing a record to get scratched even if you are reasonably careful. I've done it myself, and alcohol wasn't involved. Granted, I buy my records cheap at second hand stores and such so most of them already have a few scratches. Maybe I'm just not as careful as someone who buys all their records brand new or mint condition. As such, I'm used to a little surface noise, and that makes me really appreciate my better records.

That said, I probably wouldn't let this guy borrow my records either, just like I don't let any of my friends borrow my records. They all think a crosley or plastic AT or Ion or what have you is the same as my JVC, which admittedly isn't perfect, but it's not a record killer. They also like to leave records sitting flat on a chair outside of their covers.... It makes me cringe. Just tell him your a lunatic audiophile who doesn't let anyone touch any of your hardware or media. It works!


Ha for an example .... tonight I brought hom from his house Blue Oyster Cult double gatefold LP On your feet or on your knees. great live album. This is for a trade ... he goes "This is record is mint, I never played it because I do not care for BOC. I mainly played the first record for a song I liked by them. It is in great shape". I get it home and there is ascratch running the entire length of side 1 and both lead ins are scraped up and noisy. Record 2, the good one is noisy in spots also. The sleeve has slight ringwear and the inner sleeves are not ripped or slit from the record though .... basically the vinyl SHOULD be in great shape judging by the sleeves. I told him I would trade Destruction - Live Without Sense double live gatefold LP. Mine is MINT and assuming his was mint I made the agreement, now I am going to have to tell him no way. I'm not trading a mint record worth about $25 for this damaged stuff.

fscl wrote:He can borrow your records and listen to them if they are played on your system.... :)

IIRC :-k :-k you've got minidiscs so you can record the LPs and let him borrow the MD and player.... :)

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We have vinyl night once a week and alternate places, he lives up the road a bit not far.

Ho does have good enough equipment.

The problem is he can make fingerprints and scratches using his mind without even touching the record it seems.

I'm at his house going through his gems ... he has tons of records and some rare ones. I pull one out ... scrapes and scratches. Some of these records look like they were keyed lmao.

It isn't every once in a while, it is virtually EVERY single record he owns. he blames it all on parties and letting OTHER people change the records.

He places the needle on there by hand for one thing which is okay ... I do that but he misses three times in a row 'zriip zripp zrippp".

he is also plagued by "yeah I used to have that album ... lent it out and it never came back". He is just sloppy .... I just can;t do that.

My records are in great shape still, some have the occasional accident which always happens to everyone but it is not very often. Like the other day an LP slipped out of my grip and it landed on the speed selector button and left a nice little mark.

This though with him, just ridiculous.
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby JoeE SP9 » 16 Jun 2012 16:58

I've known people like that. It seems as if everything they own gets scratched or broken and they always blame it on kids, partying or guests. I don't lend them anything. My policy regarding any music carrier is, "This is not a lending library". I apply this policy to everyone. There are no exceptions.

If someone like the person in question asks me why I won't lend anything I tell them the truth. "You don't take care of your own stuff. I don't expect you to take care of stuff you borrow. So the answer is no", Is exactly what I say. If their feelings are hurt by the truth that's just to bad.
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby jake » 16 Jun 2012 19:55

MOST people cannot handle records properly. Never loan them, even to family, but always offer to locate them a copy.
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby megatrends » 16 Jun 2012 22:33

Good advice guys ... I will take heed and find a way to work this in without insulting him. he borrowed my Diamondhead album In the Beginning and it came back with a small scratch (not a bad poppy one thankfully) but I couldn't remember if it had one to begin with. Ons of those things.

yeah most of these LPs are out of print now so yes I should clamp down on this.
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby Veggie Boy » 17 Jun 2012 04:53

JoeE SP9 wrote:... I don't lend them anything. My policy regarding any music carrier is, "This is not a lending library". I apply this policy to everyone. There are no exceptions.


Agree 100%

This is my policy and since it applies to everyone, no exception, then its not personal and no feelings are hurt.

If there was something really obscure they wanted I would find a way to have it ripped and ask that they would reciprocate in reverse circumstances.

If there were a trade opportunity on the other hand then you could be assured that condition is heavily weighed into the equation. :wink:
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby mickb69 » 17 Jun 2012 09:39

Hi, has the guy collected these problem records recently, or has he had them for decades, bought new like?

I go to my local record shop, it's run by an old man, he prices high, but his shop is a rotting old dump, and he doesn't even play grade his records, or grade them at all, just gets them in, finds out the "worth" and then whacks the top price on them, I've had loads that are in poor condition.
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Re: My friend Herb and his records

Postby megatrends » 17 Jun 2012 19:30

mickb69 wrote:Hi, has the guy collected these problem records recently, or has he had them for decades, bought new like?

I go to my local record shop, it's run by an old man, he prices high, but his shop is a rotting old dump, and he doesn't even play grade his records, or grade them at all, just gets them in, finds out the "worth" and then whacks the top price on them, I've had loads that are in poor condition.
It's heartbreaking



The ones he has were all new "back in the day" and he has been the only owner. he has hundreds of records, I cannot fathom anyone having that many parties to ruin all of them

I borrowed Frank Zappa - New York .... pulled out record 1 .... right through half the record a huge unplayable warp.

He has stacks of record lying on their side in his garage on top of that where they get hot and he had a can of paint sitting on top of a stack!!! I said herb wtf are you doing lol. he says "Oh those are all beat up , doesn't matter". Must have been 300 records there that were garbage because of him over the years and he still hasn't figured it out!!! He keeps his "good ones" indoors ... which are almost as bad a shape. Ridiculous.

Then I laugh hysterically because he uses a Discwasher and is all careful looking when he puts a record on when I go over. it is just truly comical.
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