What's wrong with Direct Metal Mastering?

[gabriel1998]

I dunno. I'm listening to my copy of Miles Davis Vol.2 and it sounds fine to me. Oh, what I meant was, it sounds friggin fine to me.

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Its a great starter on Blue note's!!!

[flavio81]

Oh, and just for the record I'm one of the morons who used to cut DMM masters.
Phil Brown

I would love to be part of that club of morons!

[flavio81]

I'm curious to see how an "ENGINEER" failed to comprehend my post?

He's an actual cutting engineer that has cut many records.

So now we need to be engineers to have an opinion on how they sound? a deep understanding of the process?

It would be great if you would understand the process fully and blame the Blue Note DMMs' sound quality on other factors. Because, there are MANY factors that influence the final sound of the records, y' know? Like the sound source (in 1st place), the processing made before it reaches the cutter head, the ability and choices of the cutting engineer, the plating process, the pressing process, the amount of times the stamper is used, the time the record compound is left in the stamper, the quality of the record compound, etc etc etc.

DMM is about cutting on 'soft' metal. To do this they have to change the record cutting angle to almost 0 degrees and then compensate electronically for this so conventional cartridges (with VTA 15-23°) show no distortions. This would be the only audiophile 'pitfall' of the process, but the proof is in the pudding and there are some DMM-cut records that are just fine. Everything else is as good or better in the DMM process, compared to lacquer cutting.

Yes, you should know more about the topic before tooting agressively your claims.

[gabriel1998]

I'm curious to see how an "ENGINEER" failed to comprehend my post?

He's an actual cutting engineer that has cut many records.

I don't care if he's a space monkey. Obviously people can't read. and people keep joining the club!

So now we need to be engineers to have an opinion on how they sound? a deep understanding of the process?

It would be great if you would understand the process fully and blame the Blue Note DMMs'
sound quality on other factors. Because, there are MANY factors that influence the final sound of the records,
y' know? Like the sound source (in 1st place), the processing made before it reaches the cutter head,
the ability and choices of the cutting engineer, the plating process, the pressing process, the amount of times
the stamper is used, the time the record compound is left in the stamper, the quality of the record compound, etc etc etc.

DMM is about cutting on 'soft' metal. To do this they have to change the record cutting angle to almost 0 degrees
and then compensate electronically for this so conventional cartridges (with VTA 15-23°) show no distortions.
This would be the only audiophile 'pitfall' of the process, but the proof is in the pudding and there are some
DMM-cut records that are just fine. Everything else is as good or better in the DMM process, compared to lacquer cutting.

Yes, you should know more about the topic before tooting agressively your claims.

LMAO. Who cares? seriously? who gives a crap about the mambo jumbo? Did you cut and paste from Wikipedia? Do you know what that whole skipping a process means to me? Its more about increasing profits at the expense of the sound. If I want to know how a real Vinyl Lp is made, I'll just go over to the old Classic Records website or the new Quality Record Pressings youtube video. or better yet, Remember when I was a kid and used to run around the Capitol Pressing Plant in Stamford, Ct where my mom used to work or walk 10 minutes from my parents house to Mosaic Records. What does this have to do with Blue note DMM sounding like complete crap to me when compared to an original, a Japanese pressing, a Classic Record Reissue or a Music Matter 45 rpm and even a good Blue/Black blue note label? So how long were these Blue Note Dmm Manufactored? 1984-1888? 4 miserable years? Yeah, They went down faster than a white house intern.
They were probably a major contributor to the downfall of vinyl in the 80's and 90's. You should know more about the topic before tooting agressively your claims.

[fscl]

........major snippage............ If I want to know how a real Vinyl Lp is made, I'll just go over to the old Classic Records website or the new Quality Record Pressings youtube video. or better yet, Remember when I was a kid and used to run around the Capitol Pressing Plant in Stamford, Ct where my mom used to work or walk 10 minutes from my parents house to Mosaic Records. ........more snippage.........

Just out of curiosity, where was the Capitol pressing plant in Stamford.....

Mosaic's address is currently listed on Fairfield Ave.

Fred

[gabriel1998]

........major snippage............ If I want to know how a real Vinyl Lp is made, I'll just go over to the old Classic Records website or the new Quality Record Pressings youtube video. or better yet, Remember when I was a kid and used to run around the Capitol Pressing Plant in Stamford, Ct where my mom used to work or walk 10 minutes from my parents house to Mosaic Records. ........more snippage.........

Just out of curiosity, where was the Capitol pressing plant in Stamford.....

Mosaic's address is currently listed on Fairfield Ave.

Fred

The Capitol pressing plant used to be by Glenbrook Road in the late 70's. Mosaic records is right down the road where I grew Up.

[fscl]

The Capitol pressing plant used to be by Glenbrook Road in the late 70's. Mosaic records is right down the road where I grew Up.

Man has the area changed....... The / a railroad line / spur is closeby..... so that makes perfect sense......

The plant must have been cranking out lots of Grand Funk RR ^ in those days...... Was Frankie still on Capitol? then? That's Life (I remember when that was a top 40.... ) looks to be on Reprise.

Do you know Michael C......

Thanks for a bit of local SW CT history...... Linda's WWE is still closeby and the Clairol plant has now closed but home to future NBC Sports..... Let me know when you are in town, we can grab a beer.......

Fred and (back on topic) my Sheffield Labs Thelma Houston & Pressure Cooker DMM is quite amazing..... as in great sound.

[gabriel1998]

The Capitol pressing plant used to be by Glenbrook Road in the late 70's. Mosaic records is right down the road where I grew Up.

Man has the area changed....... The / a railroad line / spur is closeby..... so that makes perfect sense......

The plant must have been cranking out lots of Grand Funk RR ^ in those days...... Was Frankie still on Capitol? then? That's Life (I remember when that was a top 40.... ) looks to be on Reprise.

Do you know Michael C......

Thanks for a bit of local SW CT history...... Linda's WWE is still closeby and the Clairol plant has now closed but home to future NBC Sports..... Let me know when you are in town, we can grab a beer.......

Fred and (back on topic) my Sheffield Labs Thelma Houston & Pressure Cooker DMM is quite amazing..... as in great sound.

My Father spent his entire career at Pitney bowes in the South end. Now I think its completely gone. I used to play little league at dyke park. In high school I used to roll posters part time for the WWF. Yeah, I used to joke with all of them . I remember Bloomingdales, now a parking lot for Uconn, Caldor's dept store, Gimbles in high ridge. Hell, I remember when they built the downtown Mall.lol. Buster Browns where my dad used to buy my sneakers. There used to be a diner downtown but who knows if its there anymore. Back to the topic. I'm not saying all DMM's are bad. I'm strictly talking about Blue note DMM's. Everyone has different taste and opinions and that's fine but when someone comes in on their highhorse
I don't think so! At least now, I know who and what not to buy. I'm the consumer! You need to impress me. i've already flagged about 3 vinyl reissue companies and I will never buy anything from them ever again. And the way Communication media is today? Word gets out fast! The Audio world is much like the Food / perfume world. In the food world, there are people who can taste 10-12 different ingredients in a dish. I can probably taste 4 or 5? after that, I need to be told. It taste good to me but guess what? I will never enjoy or dislike food like someone with a very fine and sensitive Palate. I used to take my mom to the perfume factory in Paris all the time. Man, There are guys in there that smell 70 to 80 and even more fragrances at a time. After about 8 sniffs, I couldn't tell you the difference between manure and rosemary.

[fscl]

My Father spent his entire career at Pitney bowes in the South end. Now I think its completely gone. I used to play little league at dyke park. In high school I used to roll posters part time for the WWF. Yeah, I used to joke with all of them . I remember Bloomingdales, now a parking lot for Uconn, Caldor's dept store, Gimbles in high ridge. Hell, I remember when they built the downtown Mall.lol. Buster Browns where my dad used to buy my sneakers. There used to be a diner downtown but who knows if its there anymore. Back to the topic. I'm not saying all DMM's are bad. I'm strictly talking about Blue note DMM's. Everyone has different taste and opinions and that's fine but when someone comes in on their highhorse ..... snippage......

You're making me cry.....

PB world headquarters is still there, they've disolved most of their surrounding real estate and is under current development...... Lots of people here used to work there along w/ the old Electrolux Co..... Bloomies is UConn STM and the commuter students park at the lot. Gimbles is now LT?

The diner, Curley's is still there but they did knock down the comedy club next door.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o4bJgK9UQ

Thanks for clarifying DMMs on Blue Note........ I try to buy old / used BNs....... but the ones in good condition, are still few and far between.

Fred

[gabriel1998]

My Father spent his entire career at Pitney bowes in the South end. Now I think its completely gone. I used to play little league at dyke park. In high school I used to roll posters part time for the WWF. Yeah, I used to joke with all of them . I remember Bloomingdales, now a parking lot for Uconn, Caldor's dept store, Gimbles in high ridge. Hell, I remember when they built the downtown Mall.lol. Buster Browns where my dad used to buy my sneakers. There used to be a diner downtown but who knows if its there anymore. Back to the topic. I'm not saying all DMM's are bad. I'm strictly talking about Blue note DMM's. Everyone has different taste and opinions and that's fine but when someone comes in on their highhorse ..... snippage......

You're making me cry.....

PB world headquarters is still there, they've disolved most of their surrounding real estate and is under current development...... Lots of people here used to work there along w/ the old Electrolux Co..... Bloomies is UConn STM and the commuter students park at the lot. Gimbles is now LT?

The diner, Curley's is still there but they did knock down the comedy club next door.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o4bJgK9UQ

Thanks for clarifying DMMs on Blue Note........ I try to buy old / used BNs....... but the ones in good condition, are still few and far between.

Fred

LOL.. My dad used to buy the oil to heat our home from Hoffman Fuel in Southfield

[fscl]

I have heard people say bad things about Blue Note's Direct Metal Master releases. Are all DMMs bad, or is it just the Blue Notes? Are there examples of good DMM records? I have a few and can't seem to find anything wrong with them, but I'm not the hardcore audiophile that many here are. What's your take on them?

Just read through the inner sleeve liner notes and noticed that the Suzanne Vega, Solitude Standing LP is a DMM..... Bought used, I always thought this album sound is outstanding, from Suzanne's solo vocal of Tom's Diner, Luka, Calypso and final percussive instrumental of Tom's Diner Reprise, reminiscent of an old time calliope.

So far all of the DMMs I've come across have been outstanding.

Happy discovering excellent sounding DMMs in your vinyl collection....

Fred

[Nagash]

How can Identify a record that is DMM? I recently made a trade that involves getting a copy of Metallica's And Justice For All. I know that the record was pressed as DMM, but that dose not mean all of them were. Will there be something in the deadwax?

[yarvelling]

I have a few of the Beatles DMM re-issues, and most sound pretty good, all except a mint copy of the White Album, which sounds dead, and thin, to me. I still prefer the sound of the original 60's releases though!
The Beatles DMM's have have a sleeve note to that effect, and a large 'D' stamped into the dead-wax.... not sure what other companies may do though.

[pivot]

DMM seems to have been trumpeted on the sleeve notes on the LPs that are mastered/remastered with it. As it was a brand new process, and viewed as a marketing plus, I doubt there are any LP jackets that kept it secret. Rather like "DIGITAL MASTERING" banners that showed up on jackets in the 1980s.