Roger Waters "amused To Death" - Doubts And Disapp

[adalbertuss]

Hi everybody,
I would like to ask if someone has the same observations as me regarding vinyl version of the famous Amused to death (Roger Waters) album. I always wanted to have this album on vinyl but as you know it is very hard to find and very expensive on vinyl. I menaged to buy it in the end and was very happy until I put it on the table. After several minutes of listenig LP no.1 I drew the conclusion that the sound is in mono not Q-sound stereo (I know from the CD version) as promissed in the booklet of the vinyl. I tried the second LP - the same situation. I must emphasise that apart from the sound quality everything seems to be right. The LPs are really thick (over 180g) and shiny. There is 16 page booklet, the issue CBS/Sony, S/N is 42-468761-20 and on the label there is an information it is made in Holland. I'm totally disappoitend. Does anybody have similar observations. It is possible that there is a fake issue on the market?

Regards
Wojtek

[crofk]

Don't knowbut will soon be finding out. I just purchased a copy of it and am waiting on it to be shipped. Like you said it isn't cheap. Guess I'll see when it gets here.

[pnugget1]

Interesting note about counterfeit album
http://www.musicstack.com/item.cgi?item=173682035

$300.00 !!!???

[gthompson60]

I was lucky enough to pick up 2 legit copies a while back - one still sealed. I have played the other on many occasions, & I can say that my copy is not mono. I have seen what I believe to be counterfeits on a well known auction site quite a few times. The original (as far as I can remember, not having mine to hand) does not mention anything about the weight of the vinyl on the cover mounted sticker.
What does the sticker on your copy say?

[Audio_Man]

Hi everybody,
I would like to ask if someone has the same observations as me regarding vinyl version of the famous Amused to death (Roger Waters) album. I always wanted to have this album on vinyl but as you know it is very hard to find and very expensive on vinyl. I menaged to buy it in the end and was very happy until I put it on the table. After several minutes of listenig LP no.1 I drew the conclusion that the sound is in mono not Q-sound stereo (I know from the CD version) as promissed in the booklet of the vinyl. I tried the second LP - the same situation. I must emphasise that apart from the sound quality everything seems to be right. The LPs are really thick (over 180g) and shiny. There is 16 page booklet, the issue CBS/Sony, S/N is 42-468761-20 and on the label there is an information it is made in Holland. I'm totally disappoitend. Does anybody have similar observations. It is possible that there is a fake issue on the market?

Regards
Wojtek

The copies claiming to be 180g vinyl are not ligit. The originals are on thinner vinyl. If shrinkwrapped will still have large black sticker with title and track listing. Below this states "Limited Edition 2 Vinyl Set mastered direct to laquer from original analogue tapes" On Columbia label cat no 01-468761-20. Note no printing on spine! Anything with CBS rather than Columbia and/or 180g sticker is a fake. Vinyl for genuine copy is decent thickness probably around 130/140 grm.

[Audio_Man]

One genuine copy here - £25 and 2 days to go.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROGER-WATERS-AMUSED-DEATH-1992-COLUMBIA-DOUBLE-LP-/190422198527?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Records&hash=item2c560c28ff

[starterwiz]

Who's the lucky b****r?
I was ready to bid $365 for it, but a "Pink Floyd Fan Customer" that has never heard of the album distracted me for the time it took to sell, so I didn't get my bid in.
I hope to hear that someone here got a good deal, and that it sounds spectacular.
My copy has two ticks on side D, and beer stained to boot, so I know mine's not a fake lol.

[Audio_Man]

Who's the lucky b*r?
I was ready to bid $365 for it, but a "Pink Floyd Fan Customer" that has never heard of the album distracted me for the time it took to sell, so I didn't get my bid in.
I hope to hear that someone here got a good deal, and that it sounds spectacular.
My copy has two ticks on side D, and beer stained to boot, so I know mine's not a fake lol.

From the description it may not be that good - strangely sleeve only described as fair /good and he refused request for better photos. No sign of the original black inners in the photo. On this basis my mint copy must be realy valuable. Worth following feedback to see if winner got a fair buy or overpaid! Hard to trust a lot of sellers on ebay these days. This is the sort of record that any PF enthusiast would care for as it was hard to find even in 1992. I came across it by chance while browsing in HMV.

[crofk]

[quote="Audio_ManThe copies claiming to be 180g vinyl are not ligit. The originals are on thinner vinyl. If shrinkwrapped will still have large black sticker with title and track listing. Below this states "Limited Edition 2 Vinyl Set mastered direct to laquer from original analogue tapes" On Columbia label cat no 01-468761-20. Note no printing on spine! Anything with CBS rather than Columbia and/or 180g sticker is a fake. Vinyl for genuine copy is decent thickness probably around 130/140 grm.[/quote]

I've been doing a little research on this and there is another pressing than the Columbia 130/140 gr pressing.

Sony Music put out a Limited edition of it in 180 gr issued in the Netherlands.

The Columbia release was in Europe and the Sony only in the Netherlands. These are the only two LPs that were released, both numbered 468761. There is no printing on the spine of the Sony album either.

If you would like to check this yourself, go to discogs.com

[Audio_Man]

I am sceptical about this. Sony Music Entertainment is the owner of Columbia and is not a label as such. There is no picture on the discogs listing. The genuine release has Sony Music credits and is pressed in Holland. Why would they make another press at 180 grm ? Do you have a copy?

A genuine copy in s/wrap here - you will need deep pockets -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROGER-WATERS-Amused-Death-ORIGINAL-1992-LP-MINT-/120605373455?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1c14a3f40f

[lanny]

I have the CD and have heard the original LP. There's no accounting for taste, of course, but IMHO this album is not worth the shelf space it occupies in either format. Musically, it's like The Wall: narcissistic, overcooked garbage, except even worse. The cutesy, sophomoric out-of-phase effects get old very quickly; Tomita did it better on his Planets, and more musically as well. YMMV.

[crofk]

I am sceptical about this. Sony Music Entertainment is the owner of Columbia and is not a label as such. There is no picture on the discogs listing. The genuine release has Sony Music credits and is pressed in Holland. Why would they make another press at 180 grm ? Do you have a copy?

A genuine copy in s/wrap here - you will need deep pockets -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROGER-WATERS-Amused-Death-ORIGINAL-1992-LP-MINT-/120605373455?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1c14a3f40f

Why would they release a 180 gr album? Why do any recording companies release 180 gr albums?

The 180 gr album also has SME credits and is pressed in Holland. On the back of the album it does say CBS/ Sony (CBS -- Columbia -- Sony Music Entertainment are all part of SME as of 1991) Also of the back it says " Limited edition 2 album vinyl set mastered direct to laquer from original analogue tapes"

Can't say Audio_Man , it just appears to me there was more than one pressing -- Sony released the the 130/140 gr version and chose to release a limited edition 180 gr. Why????? you would have to ask SME that one.

If it makes a difference, which I can't see that it does, I do own the 180 gr limited version.

FWIW the 180 gr Limited Edition wasn't cheap either



lanny -- I have to agree, for the most part it is way over rated. If I'd have heard it first I probably wouldn't have bought it. Oh well, another for the collection.

[sparrow]

Disagree...I think it's a great album...the vinyl is out of reach for me but the CD will do..

[Audio_Man]

I am sceptical about this. Sony Music Entertainment is the owner of Columbia and is not a label as such. There is no picture on the discogs listing. The genuine release has Sony Music credits and is pressed in Holland. Why would they make another press at 180 grm ? Do you have a copy?

A genuine copy in s/wrap here - you will need deep pockets -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROGER-WATERS-Amused-Death-ORIGINAL-1992-LP-MINT-/120605373455?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1c14a3f40f

Why would they release a 180 gr album? Why do any recording companies release 180 gr albums?

The 180 gr album also has SME credits and is pressed in Holland. On the back of the album it does say CBS/ Sony (CBS -- Columbia -- Sony Music Entertainment are all part of SME as of 1991) Also of the back it says " Limited edition 2 album vinyl set mastered direct to laquer from original analogue tapes"

Can't say Audio_Man , it just appears to me there was more than one pressing -- Sony released the the 130/140 gr version and chose to release a limited edition 180 gr. Why????? you would have to ask SME that one.

If it makes a difference, which I can't see that it does, I do own the 180 gr limited version.

FWIW the 180 gr Limited Edition wasn't cheap either



lanny -- I have to agree, for the most part it is way over rated. If I'd have heard it first I probably wouldn't have bought it. Oh well, another for the collection.

If it says CBS as well as or instead of Columbia it is a copy. The wording is not right compared to the genuine pressing. Look at my earlier post. Also what is on the labels. Genuine article is Columbia label - the fakes I have seen are CBS on the labels. Is there a 180 grm sticker ? - the ones I have seen look like those used on US Columbia pressings in the 90's as well as early Sundazed pressings. No printing on actual sleeve only the black sticker as seen on the mint copy for sale on ebay. (see previous post). European pressings did not use CBS after Sony take over. This album came out well before the 180 grm fetish !