Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

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Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by wildsearch » 27 Jun 2013 20:12

I would like to convert my Dual 1229 from am automatic to a manual turntable. I have seen examples of this on Ebay so I know it can be done. Does anyone have information on how to do this?
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Jim

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by KentT » 28 Jun 2013 01:50

Not easy to do, get a real manual turntable. Or fix the Dual.

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by Coffee Phil » 28 Jun 2013 02:30

At one time I had a 1229Q. Nice machine. As I remember there is a short spindle which turns with the platter. You simply pull out the changer spindle and insert the short spindle. I don't believe I ever had the changer spindle in mine.

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wildsearch wrote:I would like to convert my Dual 1229 from am automatic to a manual turntable. I have seen examples of this on Ebay so I know it can be done. Does anyone have information on how to do this?
Thanks,
Jim

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by KentT » 28 Jun 2013 03:36

Inserting the short spindle and using the Dual as a single play is best.

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by Fishtails » 28 Jun 2013 23:48

I actually did this to my dual 1229q recently as i was not able to fix it after 6 months of trying and i have fixed many many duals including the same model. I just had one that must have been a bad seed or something.

I made mine so manual that i need to turn it on and off at the wall switch and lift the tonearm onto the record and off again at the end.

I basically just ripped out as much of the auto mechanism from underneath and also removed the auto levers on the top of the plynth. I sprayed it all black and it looks and sounds awesome.

As mentioned i will post photos later today.

Good luck!!

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by wildsearch » 29 Jun 2013 18:00

Kent,Coffee Phil and Fishtails:
Thanks for your responses. I am experiencing pretty well what Fishtails describes. TT reconditioning is my new hobby, but this 1229 has got me stumped. I have very carefully taken apart, cleaned and re-assembled the electrical (including the motor), the drive assembly and the many moving parts associate with the main cam. I have also removed, cleaned and reassembled the tone arm assembly twice ( replacing the 'pimple' and the two ball bearings with rubber spring retainer on the first run)but cannot get the auto functions to respond. It feels like this is a matter of the right combination or sequence of adjustments , or tweaking. There must be defaults and a base point from which to begin the adjustments sequence, but I do not have this information. It is not clear in the manual either. So in frustration I am considering a conversion to manual operation.
I would prefer not to have to plug/unplug at the wall, however. Fishtails, were you not able to retain the start/stop linkage connecting the tone arm base to the electrical functions? Very curious about this part.

Thanks again everyone.
Jim

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by Fishtails » 07 Jul 2013 02:54

Hi
Finally got round to posting my photo!
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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by Fishtails » 07 Jul 2013 02:56

Hi
I did not retain any part of the auto functions.So start/stop is done by the wall switch which is luckily mid height on wall so I don't have to crouch down behind furniture each time.

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by gridleakrick » 07 Jul 2013 12:02

Why not just mount a big honking toggle switch in the base and wire it in series with one of the motor leads? Like some of the old transcription turntables from the 1950s used to have.
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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by vinylrayk » 07 Jul 2013 20:58

I converted a 1228 with a bashed tonearm to a total manual table and retrofitted it with a SME 3009-S2. It's my backup "FrankenTable". I recommend that you retain the Start/Stop linkage to the motor switch and idler wheel assembly. The switch is nice to have, and it's a good thing to dis-engage the idler when not in use so as to avoid the development of flat spots in the rubber. I still need to do something with the trim and spruce up the cosmetics.

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by wildsearch » 13 Jul 2013 04:19

Thanks Vinylrayk,
This is more or less what I would like to do with this turntable, short of parting it out as suggested earlier in the Forum. I may do this if I cannot get it converted as you describe.
Is your inclusion intended to be a photo of your TT handy work?
Jim

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Re: Dual 1229 conversion from Automatic to Manual

Post by KentT » 13 Jul 2013 14:41

Why butcher the Dual, they can be overhauled and function correctly. And the 1229 holds it's value well. The 1229 will never be a broadcast idler turntable. If you want to install a separate tonearm, get a machine designed for one. Even a Lenco can be modded for one without being butchered. In my area, a Dual 1229 in refurbished condition and all working correctly will fetch $300 easily.

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