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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby jr41 » 17 Mar 2012 14:34

My Rega RP3 with recently installed Groovetracer upgrades (and Ortofon 2M Bronze MM cartridge) - click images to see larger versions.

The Delrin platter:

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I think this platter is a vast visual improvement over the stock Rega one. It gives the black RP3 a real stealth look 8)

The Reference Subplatter:

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The Counterweight:

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Impressions

Dealing with Frank was a pleasure, he was very prompt and helpful in his replies to my questions. The quality of shipping packaging was very good - buying all three upgrades at once is perhaps a little excessive :) but living in the UK, the postage was not cheap, so I brought them as a set primarily to save money on shipping costs.

The quality of the supplied instructions and accessories was also very high. The finish and attention to detail of the upgrades themselves is very high and justifies the cost in my opinion. An example of this is the little plastic nub attached to the end of the counterweight set screw to ensure a good, mark free, fit.

I also installed all three upgrades together. I'm afraid I don't have the patience to install one, wait a sufficient time to become familiar with the change in sound, and then move onto the next :twisted:.

Installation of all the upgrades was easy. The only nerve racking bit was replacing the arm stub. The stock RB303 stub was too large for the Groovetracer counterweight, so I had to install the one supplied. I cringed when the arm assembly flexed slightly when removing the stock stub, but there appear to have been no ill effects from this.

I too am of the stable which keeps the platter spinning when swapping records, and with the Delrin platter this isn't a problem. The record doesn't immediately grip the spinning platter through, which results in a little skidding, but providing the platter is kept free of dust I don't see this being an issue - the platter is immaculately smooth!

So how does it sound? Well, I would say an upgrade in cartridge may offer a greater improvement and better value for money (depending on what you buy and what you're upgrading from of course) before buying the Groovetracer upgrades, but these upgrades have brought an immediately noticeable improvement in the following areas:

Greater detail retrieval
Greater separation
An 'airer' presentation and more space
A blacker background - the music jumps out at you more and seems more dynamic as a result
More body and a small increase in bass too

The only slight regression I've noticed is that perhaps drums are a little more recessed in the mix. Though during drum solos there is impressive slam, timbre and cymbals always sound great.

I'm new to vinyl and of the 'digital generation'. Since getting my RP3 I've enjoyed that 'vinyl sound' very much in it's stock configuration (with Rega Elys 2 cartridge), but always felt my digital setup trumped it in terms of detail retrieval and clarity. Not any more! Since installing these upgrades and the 2M Bronze (I'll be posting a review of the excellent Ortofon 2M Bronze in due course) I'm hearing new things in recordings I know very well - and that for me is the hall mark of whether a new investment in my system was worth while. You can now safely call me a vinyl convert :)

As for future upgrades, I'm following in RoDa's foot steps again and considering the double belt pulley and motor thrust bearing. But to be honest, I'm very happy with this setup as it currently stands so I'm in no rush.

Lastly, my thanks to the Vinylengine forum and it's members for so much useful information and enjoyable discussions, this is a great forum!
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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby RoDa » 17 Mar 2012 18:31

Your RP3 Groovetracer stealth edition looks great!!
Thanks for the listening impressions.

EDIT: The stand/platform looks interesting. What is it?

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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby jr41 » 18 Mar 2012 00:31

RoDa, the platform is a SRM-Tech Silent Stage 1 Isolation Platform.

http://srm-tech.co.uk/shop/article_SS1/ ... d%3DSS1%26

To be honest, I'm sceptical about some of the isolation solution out there. I looked into a DIY solution as I read acrylic is a good platform material and I wanted some means of fine levelling adjustment. It turned out to purchase a suitable custom made acrylic sheet and adjustable feet wasn't much less than the Silent Stage platform, so I went for it.

I haven't conducted any tests to see if it actually provides a sound improvement - the ability to adjust levelling is the main benefit for me. I use headphones so I doubt I would observe any benefit under testing anyway. When I get some speakers I may be grateful for it though.
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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby watercourse » 18 Mar 2012 01:26

Excellent, we have another photographer in RoDa's house!

Nice base. I like the leveling footers, plus the built-in level.

I'd think differences in sonics would be easier to hear thru headphones. I always have to fight ambient noises during critical listening. Phones also minimize any setup differences - I always have to move my chair to the right spot - ears never move around, luckily!
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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby YardCrap » 19 Mar 2012 04:01

Apparently when I tried to link from my site - yardcraphome.com, you have to be signed in to see them - sorry about that and learning. :mrgreen:

Trying again from photobucket as I am really proud of the sound and the looks.
This system is in my RedNeck Bar. Most people have rec rooms, I have a RedNeck bar.

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee428/yardcrap/YCH/front.jpg

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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby YardCrap » 19 Mar 2012 04:05

Well, that did not work -- ??
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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby RoDa » 19 Mar 2012 06:28

Nice!
It worked, but to put the pictured directly in the thread you need the (img)-clamps around the picture links.

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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby watercourse » 19 Mar 2012 06:32

Well, it works if you click on the links, but I have a photobucket account.

Nice looking system, especially the P5. So, how tall are you? It looks like the table is about 5' off the ground.
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Not sticky???

Postby Etnier » 19 Mar 2012 14:05

Has this thread lost its new 'sticky' status? Seems that way in my browser.
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Now sticky

Postby Etnier » 19 Mar 2012 19:47

...now it's back...
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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby BoringSounds » 21 Mar 2012 20:02

@YardCrap I like your rack a lot and the nice block your deck is sitting on. Just one question is that a sub sitting underneath your right rack? And yes, how tall are you??
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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby RoDa » 21 Mar 2012 20:57

watercourse wrote:You should get M3 screws, 50mm.


I have a really hard time finding these.....
Found, and ordered, winged nuts and washers.
But not the screws. Anyone with an E-Bay link or examples where to buy?

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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby watercourse » 22 Mar 2012 02:20

Rolf,
You couldn't find these parts at a hardware store? The only concern I would have about buying them separately is that the thread pitch of the wingnuts and the screws may not be the same. Better to buy them at the same time and try it out before buying. However, M3 is M3, so should be fine.
I wish I could provide you more info, but all of my sources are in the US...
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Re: My first Rega upgrade - groovy baby!!

Postby brassnwood » 22 Mar 2012 11:41

Try these Rolf :D
http://www.wlcooke.co.uk/Cat/product_in ... s_id=29381
Minimum purchase 10 - must still be worth it @ less than £5 :wink:

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