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Postby tmaoahthfte » 18 Aug 2012 20:09

Now that my Planar three is 20 odd years old, I think maybe it's time to start upgrading it. I know there's myriad ways of going about it and it's difficult to know where to start but having given it a good deal of thought I'm inclined to begin with the biggest bit, the plinth, and work through the whole thing until I've changed every part :mrgreen:

Having looked at all the ready made plinth options I'm interested in this..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-amazing-d ... 1578wt_882

...as a possible starting point. The guy makes a conventionally shaped version as well but if I'm going to change things then I fancy something a little different. Has anyone on the forum any experience of this tt? It hasn't been reviewed anywhere by the look of it and there's not a tremendous amount of information on the ebay page, I guess I should give the guy a call and get a few details.
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby Alec124c41 » 18 Aug 2012 20:32

I would suggest replacing the resin sub-platter as a first upgrade.
Try this: remove the platter, and just touch the side of the turning sub-platter with a pencil point. This will give you an idea how irregular it has become. This is reflected in the sound.

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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby Bob_in_OKC » 19 Aug 2012 05:05

I would agree with Alec. The subplatter is a place where an upgrade really helps. If you have the suspended motor, the new motor upgrade is a significant step forward.
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby Etnier » 19 Aug 2012 21:11

...and the RB303 arm, in my h. o.
Rega RP3, TTPSU, Groovetracer delrin, reference subplatter & counterweight, Lim double pulley
Shelter 501-II with Soundsmith Level II, Heed Quasar
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby tmaoahthfte » 19 Aug 2012 21:14

Oh I'll be changing the sub platter as well I'm sure but the plinth is the first item on the list. I'm just wondering how the orbit compares with some of the other replacement plinths, it's similar to the project genie in some respects, isolating the motor from the arm, but using 2 plinths rather than one.
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby nabil » 20 Aug 2012 01:13

Personally I think you'd be better off selling your Plannar 3 using that money plus the money you were planning on using on the orbit plinth and buying a used P3-24 or spending a bit more and getting a used P5. Choosing the upgrade everything path-plinth, motor, arm, sub-platter, etc just isn't cost effective. Additionally, if I were to start upgrading a Plannar 3, I wouldn't start with the plinth. If you want a noticeably better sound, then start with the motor upgrade then a new sub-platter.
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby robsanderson » 20 Aug 2012 08:44

If you do the math you might find the modifying route isn't cost effective. I had a p25 which I looked at modifying but in the end decided to sell and upgrade instead. By the time you've bought a sub platter £100, db plinth £250, Platter £100 (or £200 for the delrin) and double pulley £35 you've spent the thick end of £500 and you still have the motor to replace, personally this is madness when you could pick up something like a Nottingham Analogue spacedeck for this kind of money and use the sale of your p3 for an RB300 derivative.

This is close to what I did and have never looked back, I tried a few of the mods first and although it was an improvement the moded rega will not sound as good as the NAS. The NAS looks better and will retain its value unlike the db2 which looks homebrew (you will tire of its aesthetic). A bastardised p3 will be hard to sell on people like to buy original kit.

If you really want to go down the modify route then as others suggest there are better places to start than the plinth. The sub platter and double pulley are the place to start, I found the achromat made the biggest difference which can be had used for about £35.

Replacing the stock feet for some quality sorbathane ones on a solid wall shelf will give most of what the new db plinth will IMHO

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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby tmaoahthfte » 20 Aug 2012 19:30

Hmm, so basically there's nothing worth saving from a Planar if I'm considering a comprehensive upgrade?
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby robsanderson » 20 Aug 2012 21:54

The rega is a nice deck and it responds well to various upgrades, but if you are going to upgrade every part its not the best use of funds.

Modifying means you can do it in stages ie spread the cost but the final result will be less than the £ spent especially if you buy well. I saw a spacedeck with arm go for just £500, it was tatty and had the naff blue marble effect plinth which stopped me buying it, however I've since learned the plinth is mainly cosmetic and thinking on easy enough to get re sprayed black (its only paint!). I'm not suggesting NAS are the only decks out there thats just one I remember I saw a lot of nice decks go for reasonable money (if you avoid obvious choices Linn/technics etc.) lucky for you the rega is an obvious choice and will sell well

Spending £300-500 on a £200 (used value) turntable seems excessive.
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby kabayiri » 22 Aug 2012 01:17

I have spent more than £500 on my Planar 3.

It's been a great learning exercise, and the deck is transformed. You can only definitively know how it sounds when you have done it yourself.

I have been able to listen to my deck against an RP6 too. The different carts meant it wasn't truly like for like, but I actually enjoyed both decks.

The db Orbit looks interesting, but treat it as a fun experiment I'd say. Isn't that what its all about? :)
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby robsanderson » 14 Sep 2012 08:50

looking like a bargain £450 start price, 2 days to go and no bids...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200816377832? ... 500wt_1378
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby db2 » 27 Sep 2012 22:55

Hi. It is great to see you guys discussing my products.

The classic is the more serious piece of kit, weighs a ton and works a treat with each added mod. The acrylic platter was the kicker for me when added to the dual plinths....massive bass improvement.

I am still using the standard sub platter I am ashamed to say, but I am certain it is the way to go from here.

There is an orbit review on a popular auction website and a review of a classic rebuild at 29ordinaryguys http://29ordinaryguysmusicblog.com/2012/08/

The orbit is a bit of fun but still wrings out better performance from the Rega components and punches well above the donors. I liked the "homebrew" comment guys.....I prefer "bespoke"! Polished acrylic, no jagged chipboard or dodgy laminates and a range of clear acrylic covers available.

Thanks again and keep vinyl alive whichever route you take.
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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby db2 » 27 Sep 2012 23:00

I am quite approachable! PLease call me on 01395 268163 of an evening.

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Re: The db2.2 orbit

Postby Ravi_Puck_USA » 28 Sep 2012 00:09

Hi all - I purchased a couple of db2 Orbits from db2 Industries and shipped them here to the States.
What a difference the make to my and a buddy of mine's Rega Planar 3 turntables.
The new Orbit plinths really make for a great sound upgrade and they are really fantastic visual upgrade the old MDF stock plinth.

I highly recommend this build out project to anyone with a Rega donor deck or even someone looking for a project!

The sales and configuration support from Mr. Rogers, the company owner and plinth designer was outstanding!

Well done.
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