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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby gmjones2001 » 04 May 2012 06:35

watercourse wrote:
Also, VPIs have many models, as I'm sure you've noticed. They all sound different from each other, rim drive sounds different than belt drive VPIs, platter materials sound different, suspension type, yada yada. One thing to consider outside of overall sound is how much interest you have in adjusting your turntable? VPIs need a bit more adjustment than the Regas, and this could make or break your experience. I have a feeling that, although I like to mess with my table, the VPI's could send me off the deep end into neurosis, because you CAN adjust almost everything on their tables. Just a thought.



The adjustment aspect of the VPI tables is something I've picked up on in my reading/research and something that would ruin the experience for me. I've given this a lot more thought lately and it is swaying my decision, even if at a subconscious level. :)

I'm pretty sure I'll end up with an RP6, but gotta audition one still.

Thanks watercourse! Appreciate your input/insight always!
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby watercourse » 04 May 2012 07:36

Good luck bud! I'd still listen to a VPI if I were you. Who knows, they might just make your dream table. You can check one out from an online retailer for 30 days if you have no shops near you. Or, it might make the decision harder, but at least you can make your decision on firsthand experience rather than reviews.
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby ggkasper » 05 May 2012 07:15

Finally got the Dyna 10x5. VTA adjusted, all set up...excitement... but I guess it must have only 10 hours now so I wasn't really feeling a huge difference between the grado gold that i was using. I was ok considering many say it takes quite more than 10 hours to start to shine. So yesterday i got the rega white belt for the Rp6.

What a miraculous little thing. Everything's shinning. And it's shinning through a $20 second hand panasonic mini system aux in. Amazing. I'm so satisfied about the sound (from my modest amateur point of view) i feel i could just stay with the cheap pana. but probably won't. [-o<
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby troutbum » 05 May 2012 09:09

A side-by-side comparison to our RP3/TT-PSU with the Exact cartridge immediately exposes the RP6’s intensified performance. “Dog to Bone,” from Spoek Mathambo’s Father Creeper, yields a deeper and more cohesive groove. The RP3 gets the fundamentals, but the RP6 lays into the bass texture. The major grooves in SBTRKT’s self-titled album divulge the same; the cavernous beats possess a wetter, more sinewy quality through the RP6.

Both the new Audio Research REF Phono 2SE and Monk Audio phonostages illustrate the RP6’s greater microdyamic ability and tonal contrast, confirming that the model’s more sophisticated approach delivers more music. Remember, Rega is about evolution, not revolution. The RP3 isn’t crapola now that the RP6 is out, and the latter doesn’t annihilate the RP3. Instead, the RP6 builds on the strengths of the RP3. If you have a small room and small speakers that lack serious low-frequency extension, the RP3 may well be a great place to hang your hat. However, if your system has good low-frequency capability, you’ll notice the extra authority the RP6 musters.
As for the midrange? Ditto. On Crowded House’s “You Better Be Home Soon,” the organ comes further out of the densely packed mix and vocal harmonies showcase extra contrast. George Martin/Geoff Emerick’s production of Cheap Trick’s All Shook Up epitomizes this jump factor and dynamic extension. The opening track’s percussion leaps out of the speakers, and plenty of punch accompanies Bun E. Carlos’ thunderous drumming. The recording’s Beatlesque layers are expanded with a precision that neither the RP3 nor my mid vintage LP-12 summon.


http://www.tonepublications.com/analogaholic/rega-rp6/
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby digiman » 08 Jun 2012 21:57

digiman wrote:
RoDa wrote:
watercourse wrote:I think I just shorted out my keyboard with drool...


Then let's hope for your keyboards sake he doesn't show you the all-Rega rack. :wink:
Digiman: pleeease? 8)



I am expecting my missing Atacama shelf in a few weeks, so will post some pics of the Rega rack then. The P9 PSU is living a sad life in storage at the moment as the rack is full after Cursa 3 and 2 x Exon 3 moved in with IOS, P9 PSU and the turntable on top.

Hopefully the rack is not to tall with 5 stories of Rega beauty? Time will show :D


As promised a few months ago.

My Rega rack.

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From top and down:
• P9 and Apheta cart
• P9 PSU
• IOS MC Phonostage
• Cursa 3 pre
• Exon 3 monoblocks
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby RoDa » 08 Jun 2012 23:02

Perfect, digiman, perfect!!
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby digiman » 10 Jun 2012 17:26

Thanks RoDa :D

There something special about the synergy in these components. Best sound i have had so far in my room. Wonder what the new RS10 speakers could do in my room... =P~ =P~ =P~ =P~ :wink:
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby Frank_Sm » 07 Jul 2012 20:31

RoDa wrote:For me it looks like the metal-on-top-thing on the subplatter for the RP6 it there to raise the subplatter to compensate for the thinner platter on the RP6?
(Not thinner on the outer edge, but in the centre due to the two layers bonded together)

Look at my "fantastic" drawing...

This - to me - looks like it is possible to remove the metal-on-top-thing on the RP6 and use aftermarket platters.
Or, Groovetracer could make an RP6-Delrin-platter with a deeper center cutout so that the metal-on-top-thing may be used?

The ultimate is - of course - Groovetracer subplatter + delrin platter, and it looks like it should be no problem to fit on an RP6?
Can people please start buying there RP6s and experiment? LOL :)

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Here is an image I took of the stock RP6 subplatter split into its two pieces. It just snaps together. The aluminum "hat" fits snugly onto the phenolic subplatter which is almost exactly the same as the thousands already in existence. The only difference is that there are several very small raised tab on the perimeter that fit into the bottom of the aluminum piece, and of course the belt still contacts the phenolic piece.

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Here it is assembled.

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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby tomytoons » 08 Jul 2012 02:25

That's nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Foolish design!
Short plastic spindle and no precision for the belt to ride on.
AND this is supposed to sound better?
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby Frank_Sm » 13 Jul 2012 04:38

MadMax wrote:
RoDa wrote:
MadMax wrote:Hmm, putting a metal hat on the standard sub-platter really looks like a halfway house measure to me. One step forward to put the fancy platter on, followed by two steps back with a badly designed sub to make it fit. Is this platter really that much better than the one it replaces?

Still, another product for GT- tall subplatters! :D


Groovetracer subplatter'n'platter will still fit.
You'll only need a taller subplatter if you want to keep the RP6 glass platter. :wink:


Damn this thread's taken off! I should come on here more than just once a week...

Yeah obviously the GT sub & platter will fit as a set, but one can't buy just the GT sub for the RP6, which I think is a bit of a shame.


You can now, subplatter upgrade for the RP6.
http://www.groovetracer.com/news_groove_tracer.htm
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby MadMax » 13 Jul 2012 17:03

Frank_Sm wrote:
and of course the belt still contacts the phenolic piece.



That is OUTRAGEOUS. Literally a shiny part just for the sake of it. :x
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Re: Rega RP3 v RP6

Postby MadMax » 13 Jul 2012 17:05

Frank_Sm wrote:You can now, subplatter upgrade for the RP6.
http://www.groovetracer.com/news_groove_tracer.htm



Good work! I hope all RP6 purchasers will be beating a path to your doorstep!

What's with the damping disc? Is that a feature on your non- RP6 subs as well now?
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The Rega RP3 v RP6 Debates Rages On...

Postby Tetonbound » 03 Aug 2012 00:27

I do not post often, mostly I just read the stuff that informs my choices and teaches me new skills or tricks to get the most out of my equipment.

One of my main hobbies is to record lps to CD. That way, I can help friends listen to music that is not otherwise available in CD format and, and this is the big reason, I don't want to repurchase music I own already in a 3,500 lp collection, to listen to while I am on the road camping for most of the summer.

Over the years I have upgraded my equipment to do a better job of that. For example, I now use a Whest phono preamp PS.30R and a Tascam DV-RA1000HD pro recorder. In December I decided my B&O TX-2 with MMC2 cartridge was long, long overdue for an upgrade. Since I have owned Rega CD players and liked them, after a decent search, I settled on the RP3 with a TTPSU (separate power unit) coupled with the Ortofon Black 2M. That equipment choice was alone a galactic jump in hyper-performance. My dubs are happier. And let me add that the RP3 is a really fine turntable straight out of the box.

Based on forums such as this, where knowledgeable users comment on how to get the most from their equipment, I became aware of the upgrades to the RP3, which, fortunately, I purchased prior to the introduction of the RP6. I checked them all out, read reviews, asked folks who know better, even talked to the guys who make this equipment, Frank Smillie as one example.

After considerable due diligence, I purchased from Groovetracer the reference subplatter, the Delrin platter, and the 110 gram counter-weight. The counter-weight was the piece of equipment that forced my hand, since the Rega height adjustment spacer was needed to get the most from my larger profile Ortofon. I read that about 3.2mm of increased height was needed, so I settled on 4mm with the Rega spacer. However, to close the dust cover, I had to have a lower profile counter-weight. So I took the plunge on bits about two weeks ago and the goodies were all installed one at a time a few days ago. Now I am ready to comment on what I heard (or thought I heard due to known conforming buyer purchase bias).

This is what I sent to Frank Smille:

I replaced each element on the Rega RP3 then listened to a set of records I was familiar with. Most of the music was folk (Judee Sill's debut in particular) or rock (various).

Step one was to replace the Rega plastic subplatter with your (Groovetracer) reference subplatter. Right away I noticed a lot of detail, extended high end, better definition in the base, and lots of clarity all around. People talk about a lower noise level and to be frank, I am not sure I gave the table enough time to hear that. But the noise level is very low, I did notice how quite the background became. I have noticed with the Rega subplatter some issues with speed variation; with the reference subplatter, that was eliminated.

Step two was to replace the glass platter with the Delrin platter. Wow! Maybe it was the combination, but I noticed detail and subtleties that right away put a broad smile on my face. I heard details on my lps that I did not know existed. For example, the reed sound of the oboe and the tambourine timber and the vibrato plucking of strings on an acoustical guitar. I heard it in voices too, more rounded and natural. I liked it.

The 110 gm counter weight did require the new stub. The nice aspect of that upgrade is being able to lower the dust cover. There was probably some subtle changes, but compared to the prior two upgrades, they were not as noticeable. I expect that the tone arm will better track challenging music, while I did not push it. I did listen to a thorny rock lp that I had recently recorded to CD via a Tascam DV-RA1000HD. The sound of that record was noticeably better, clear and natural with lots more detail and depth to the sound. I think the counter-weight allowed this lp to track better and it sounded like it.

While not a Groovetracer product, I did insert the Rega variable height adjustment part and set it to 4mm for my Ortofon Black 2M. That adjustment was a bit more than subtle also, providing just that extra measure of detail. I heard it most in the way the sonics can overwhelm and fill in the room at certain points in a song. It added just that extra measure of audible sparkle and special timber to the sound.

All in all, it was a great day for my turntable and my eventual enjoyment of my lp collection. I just noticed so much more development of the sound, sonic purity, clarity, roundness and fullness. I love it.

Thank you Frank. Great products. But you know that already.

So to close, I am happy that purchased the RP3, I am more than pleased with all the upgrades that allow the most to come from my cartridge without the turntable getting in the way. That money was more than well spent, even if stock the RP3 is a fine piece of equipment.

A final point, Frank suggested that I not rely on the weight adjust of the Rega. I purchased a rectangular-shaped, battery-powered electronic scale that you see in all the on-line shops, you know the one. I used a (U.S.) dime and a nickel to make sure it read correctly and it is amazingly precise. Anyway, what surprised me was that I need to adjust my Rega dial to 3.2gm to get 2.5gm weight on my needle. After I installed the Groovetracer CW, the same adjustment was required. Now I know why when I lowered the tone arm, it would drift to the right, it did not have the proper weight adjustment. Now that is corrected and my records just sing.

The bottom line is that the tweaks may not be necessary, certainly you can listen on without spending another dime. But with them, the Rega RP3 becomes an amazing instrument.
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I got PM but cannot return it because, according to the site

Postby Tetonbound » 04 Aug 2012 01:09

...I have not used it enough to have those privileges. But someone asked me about the scale I used to measure vertical tracking force.

The device that I purchased looks like one of these: Pro-ject Measure It.

A source is here: http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject-Me ... tegory=423.

However, after an extensive internet search, I found this source at nearly 1/10th the cost: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/digital-pr ... tion-16269. Read this thread on this site: viewtopic.php?t=25336.

It was a gamble. All the folks who ordered one said they were perfect, which is my experience also. A U.S. nickel weights exactly 5 grams and a US dime is 2.268 gm. This device was spot on. Just so that you know, it took about three weeks to get it. It was mailed from Hong Kong.

Sorry I cannot respond yet via PM.
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