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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby DSJR » 22 Feb 2012 22:48

As the arm is returned in the first part of the auto cycle, it should "click" on the 10 and 12 inch positions before a final "click" at the arm-rest position, which then locks the arm in place when the mech is on the "return" part of the cycle before switch-off. Without taking my AP76 to bits again, would this have anything to do with the linkages on the top plate up near the arm-area? If you remove the platter and actuate the mech part way by hand, starting with the arm at the record-label area. Once engaged with the arm lift operated, slowly move the arm back to its rest by hand, watching the linkages as you go, especially the record-size lever(s) in the tonearm area. Hopefully you'll see what's wrong and be able to deal with it.

Hope this crude explanation above helps a bit...
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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby Ernst3510 » 23 Feb 2012 21:05

Thanks for the tip, but i think the problem is in the speed-selector.
When i received the TT, it was broken due transport, the ass who had packed it, forgot to tighten the 2 transportscews, so it was bouncing in his console as a result that the square metalbox, who is holding the idler and the speedcontrol has bent...I'm lookin for a second 2000, but they are really hard to find...

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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby DSJR » 26 Feb 2012 11:45

Oh what a shame.. That 2000 will be one of the rarest models too I reckon, since I don't think many - if any at all - exist in the UK. Is the damaged part totally different to the Zero 100 and related decks and only made for the 2000?
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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby Ernst3510 » 05 Mar 2012 21:36

Yep, i tried several parts... At the first sight they are compatibel. Not!
I tried even a 50 Hz pulley of the Zero 100, nope, even the 50Hz strobe is not working on the Z2000 platter.
I put some aluminiumtape on the puley to compensate the difference inspeed between 60Hz and 50Hz, is working but on silent passages on the record you can hear the pulley. Almost impossible to find a 50Hz pulley for the Z2000.
But the mechanical part is fine now, i managed to repair the automatic and it's full working now. The "boxed"part i told, i have bent it open to loosen the part you ment is full working now, even this part had a "tick" from the awful transport from the states to belgium.
Other problem now: sound is working when i start the tt, when the arm is on half the record, 1 channel is dropping out, at the end of the record there is no sound at all. I suspect the wiring in the arm...
Storiy continues...

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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby chan1 » 06 Mar 2012 17:08

Ernst3510 wrote:Yep, i tried several parts... At the first sight they are compatibel. Not!
I tried even a 50 Hz pulley of the Zero 100, nope, even the 50Hz strobe is not working on the Z2000 platter.
I put some aluminiumtape on the puley to compensate the difference inspeed between 60Hz and 50Hz, is working but on silent passages on the record you can hear the pulley. Almost impossible to find a 50Hz pulley for the Z2000.
But the mechanical part is fine now, i managed to repair the automatic and it's full working now. The "boxed"part i told, i have bent it open to loosen the part you ment is full working now, even this part had a "tick" from the awful transport from the states to belgium.
Other problem now: sound is working when i start the tt, when the arm is on half the record, 1 channel is dropping out, at the end of the record there is no sound at all. I suspect the wiring in the arm...
Storiy continues...

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I do not understand any of your explanation about about the pulley so I will try to address only the wiring problem. Check the cartridge carrier first. Make sure that the 4 contact points on the carrier are making good contact with the tonearm points. With a screw driver, slightly bend the 4 contact arms on the tonearm down so they can make better contact. Then make sure that the contact points on the cartridge carrier are clean and the plastic portion of the carrier that holds them in place is not bent slightly. I will add a pic of what I mean. If that does not help with the sound dropping off then make sure that your RCA wires are making good contact with the connections on the machine. Corrosion here will have the effect you are describing. If that does not help then the problem probably lies with the wires as they exit on the underside of the machine. One or more wires have been stretched or pinched and are intermittently open. Using a continuity tester, and holding one end on the correspondingly correct tonearm contact, move the tonearm and wires until you can find the intermittent wire or wires. If found, perhaps the wire or wires can be shortened enough to eliminate the problem portion. Tedious, yes but it must be done. I have replaced the tonearm wires in one of my zeros and while hard, it was possible but I was lucky enough to find a seller in another state here in the US that had the correct size wires. And that is the problem, finding the correct size as the original wires a micro small with only 3 or 4 conductors smaller than a human hair. Make sure then to inspect the solder connections you have just repaired. Hope this helps. chan

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Now to the pic. Mounted on the carrier is an Empire 999VE cartridge with a metal mounting frame. Look at the end that holds the contact points. This is a carrier that I have heated and repaired. When the cartridge frame is mounted to the carrier with the small bolts, it tends to warp the plastic carrier and pull down and away the contact point end thereby leaving a greater distance between the contact on the carrier and contact points on the tonearm. To fix this, I mount the cartridge on the carrier and then slightly heat the plastic on the end with the contacts and hold until cool thereby keeping the carrier flat. It then makes perfect contact with the tonearm contacts. This may or may not be part of your sound problems. At first glance it may not seem possible that a warped carrier could give intermittent channel sound but as the tonearm moves across the lp, it changes the contact stress points and the contacts then loose contact with each other.
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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby Ernst3510 » 08 Mar 2012 21:33

Hi Chan,

I don't think it's in the cartridge carrier. As you can see i have a whole wide variety of it and they are working perfect.
Even found an alignment-tool for the c3 carrier =D> (the Z2000 is using the same carrier). So i think it's in the arm. I noticed total failure of the sound when i put the arm high at the beginning of the record.
Wiring is not a problem, i have a spare sl with beltdrive to cannibalise, mechanical almost like the Z2000, so i have a spare wire-set available.
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From left to the right: Shure V-15 IV, Pickering XLZ 7500 mkII, Stanton 681 EEE, ADC XLZ, Empire 2500 and a Empire 1000ZE/X (if you ever encounter a guinine stylus, please let me know [-o<

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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby chan1 » 09 Mar 2012 18:46

Hi ernst. So if you have eliminated the carrier as the problem, then possibly there could be simple problem with the wires that are exposed below the machine, but probably higher up were they turn out of the tonearm 90o. If one wire is bad, total replacement is advised. You were really lucky to find an alignment tool, especially to fit the latter style carriers. What do I mean? Compare the carrier I posted with the carrier you posted. Your carrier has to small raised parts on the bottom of the carrier. Mine does not. That means that Garrard made 2 different styles of carriers and therefore must have made 2 different styles of tools. Both styles fit into my Zero 100 tonearm but your style will not fit into my alignment tool. It is possible that your style is for the Z2000 only, I do not know for sure. Glad you posted the pic of the alignment tool as I was in the process of making you one to fit both styles of carriers. The Empire 1000ZE/X is one fine cartridge. Will keep an eye peeled for an original stylus for you. Going to attempt a wire replacement on a spare Z100 tonearm starting today with super small litz wire. Very tricky at the tonearm end. Have done one other arm with positive results.

Later,chan :mrgreen:
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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby bertiesme » 05 Oct 2012 09:03

Hi Chan- My apologies for not posting for a while, as it's been a really busy summer here- I got a new actuation rod from the guy you recommended and have fitted it at last- It now works perfectly, Many thanks, Bertie
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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby hamish909 » 06 Oct 2012 11:46

chan1 wrote:Hi ernst. So if you have eliminated the carrier as the problem, then possibly there could be simple problem with the wires that are exposed below the machine, but probably higher up were they turn out of the tonearm 90o. If one wire is bad, total replacement is advised. You were really lucky to find an alignment tool, especially to fit the latter style carriers. What do I mean? Compare the carrier I posted with the carrier you posted. Your carrier has to small raised parts on the bottom of the carrier. Mine does not. That means that Garrard made 2 different styles of carriers and therefore must have made 2 different styles of tools. Both styles fit into my Zero 100 tonearm but your style will not fit into my alignment tool. It is possible that your style is for the Z2000 only, I do not know for sure. Glad you posted the pic of the alignment tool as I was in the process of making you one to fit both styles of carriers. The Empire 1000ZE/X is one fine cartridge. Will keep an eye peeled for an original stylus for you. Going to attempt a wire replacement on a spare Z100 tonearm starting today with super small litz wire. Very tricky at the tonearm end. Have done one other arm with positive results.

Later,chan :mrgreen:



Chan,

Your work here and on other threads about this turntable is superb, many thanks from just one who has been reading with great interest.
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Re: Zero 100 Automatic Flaw...

Postby bertiesme » 20 May 2013 18:15

Hi Ernst- I wondered how the Z2000 was coming along-we haven't heard from you for a while- Regards Bertie
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