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Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 30 Mar 2012 04:55

Hi,

I'm considering to build a system based on either DL-103 or SPU cart. I have: Thorens TD521, SME 3012 with heavy headshell (c.a. 18 grams Yamamoto shell) and heavy counterweight for it. I'm planning to buy a step-up for choosen cart. My music is rock and jazz from 60. to 80.

Which cart:
- Ortofon SPU Classic E (or maybe with spherical tip) or
- Denon DL-103/103R
would you recommend and why ?

Thanking in advance.

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby nat » 31 Mar 2012 14:38

It sounds like both choices would be nice. Can you listen to them before buying?
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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 31 Mar 2012 16:11

nat wrote:It sounds like both choices would be nice. Can you listen to them before buying?


No, I can't listen to them before buying and that the reason why I'm asking which option seems to be better for my tonearm and TT.

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby awkwardbydesign » 31 Mar 2012 17:58

I had a DL-103 years ago, and now have an SPU to play with; I suspect the Denon would be easier to work with, but the SPU would ultimately be capable of more. Does that make sense?
Selfishly, I hope you choose the SPU, as your experiences might help me! 8)
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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 31 Mar 2012 18:13

awkwardbydesign wrote:Does that make sense?


Of course. Thanks.
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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby EdAInWestOC » 01 Apr 2012 01:09

How much are you planning to spend? I agree that the SPU and 103 would both be good choices but there are other DL-103 options that also make sense.

The Zu Audio DL-103 with the aluminum body is a nice way to improve the resolution of the old DL-103. If you want to look into more 103 and 103R options I suggest you try http://www.sound-smith.com/denon/index.html.

SoundSmith sells modified DL-103 and DL-103R cartridges with a variety of cantilevers and stylii. They also come in wood bodies and nuded. If you want a little more compliance SoundSmith also manages to increase the dynamic compliance for a bit more money.

These cartridges are decidedly more expensive than stock DL-103s but the improvement in sound quality is definately worth the money.

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby Terry Robinson » 01 Apr 2012 01:14

I have used all the pickups you mention. The best seemed to be the Ortofon SPU C---not the SPU E. The Denon DL-103R is better than the standard '103, and it (the Denon) is kinder to your records with a tracking force of approx. 2.5 grams. The '103 has much superior tracking ability. Certainly, do not use an Ortofon SPU E as the tracking force of 4 grams is just too much for the Ellipsoidal needle. If you do decide to use an SPU, you'll find that with so much VTF the needle doesn't last very long.

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 01 Apr 2012 07:44

EdAInWestOC wrote:How much are you planning to spend? I agree that the SPU and 103 would both be good choices but there are other DL-103 options that also make sense.

The Zu Audio DL-103 with the aluminum body is a nice way to improve the resolution of the old DL-103. If you want to look into more 103 and 103R options I suggest you try http://www.sound-smith.com/denon/index.html.

SoundSmith sells modified DL-103 and DL-103R cartridges with a variety of cantilevers and stylii. They also come in wood bodies and nuded. If you want a little more compliance SoundSmith also manages to increase the dynamic compliance for a bit more money.

These cartridges are decidedly more expensive than stock DL-103s but the improvement in sound quality is definately worth the money.

Good Luck,
Ed



Hi,

If I would go for DL-103 it will be ZuAudio modyfication. One more question about DL. Even though I have quite a goog phono stage with MC section I'm considering to buy SUT for DL (as well as for SPU, if I decided to go for SPU). What is perfect SUT for DL-103? Should I try one of made by Denon or Auditorium23 version for DL ?

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 01 Apr 2012 07:48

Terry Robinson wrote:(...) The best seemed to be the Ortofon SPU C---not the SPU E. (...)

Cheers,
Terry.


Hi

Do you mean conical stylus SPU (Ortofon SPU C) ?

Do you think it's better than DL-103 / 103R ?

Can I use Ortofon Verto SUT for SPU carts ?

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby Terry Robinson » 01 Apr 2012 09:46

Yes, I meant the SPU Classic-C (with Conical needle). I replaced a Denon DL-103R with the SU Classic-C and, when set up correctly, said this was the best pickup I had ever heard. It depends upon how much you are willing to pay. The Ortofon is considerably more expensive than the Denon.

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 01 Apr 2012 10:08

Terry Robinson wrote:Yes, I meant the SPU Classic-C (with Conical needle). I replaced a Denon DL-103R with the SU Classic-C and, when set up correctly, said this was the best pickup I had ever heard. It depends upon how much you are willing to pay. The Ortofon is considerably more expensive than the Denon.

Cheers,

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Hi,

I would like to spend as less as possible to abtain a good system based on SOU (preferable) or DL.

What about a good SUT for SPU ? Are Ortofon products good, especially I'm thinking about Ortofon Verto ?

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 01 Apr 2012 10:09

Terry Robinson wrote:Yes, I meant the SPU Classic-C (with Conical needle). I replaced a Denon DL-103R with the SU Classic-C and, when set up correctly, said this was the best pickup I had ever heard. It depends upon how much you are willing to pay. The Ortofon is considerably more expensive than the Denon.

Cheers,

Terry.

Hi,

I would like to spend as less as possible to abtain a good system based on SPU (preferable) or DL.

What about a good SUT for SPU ? Are Ortofon products good, especially I'm thinking about Ortofon Verto ?

donic

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby awkwardbydesign » 01 Apr 2012 10:45

Ask Rothwell!
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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby donic » 01 Apr 2012 11:07

awkwardbydesign wrote:Ask Rothwell!


Hi,

Thanks for your suggestion. To be honest I prefer to know users opinion not producers.

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Re: Ortofon SPU Classic vs Denon DL-103

Postby Hanuman » 01 Apr 2012 12:50

donic wrote:Can I use Ortofon Verto SUT for SPU carts ?


Yes and with the DL-103.
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