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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby megatrends » 16 Jun 2012 22:56

youngdand wrote:you are getting cafe latte wrong. he is not talking about speed control. He is talking about the way the turntable manages the speed. In this instance on every rotation of the platter the motor kicks in to nudge it back to speed. although this is probably only minor, it causes cogging.

However this probably really doesn't matter for your needs. The point he was trying to get accross, is that a technics is a far superiour machine, and would have been a better investment. you would not have lost a penny on resale of the tecnics, however if you sold this tomorrow you would lose half its value. to be honest the technics would probably only increase in value.

Also, whoever took the pic using the AT to dj with, could have done far better with a pair of technics vestax of higher end numark and even the higher stanton decks for the same price which would easily outperform the AT.

Also just a word about reviews, most of them are PR companies trying to sell you a product. when you come to this website, people give you good, honest, sometimes opinionated, but never the less, good advice.

Anyway, i am sure this deck will do what you want it to, and if ever you want to travel futher in to hifi you can upgrade later. People will always be here to give you good advice.



Understaood ... I'm an old guy who hasn't purchased anything new in decades. Bought that Technics in the 80s and i am spinning a record now while I type this.

I've never had a turntable this good as the one I ordered even though according to you guys I could do better.

We'll see ...

She and I just felt funny buying used and for your info this turntable would not be resold even if I upgraded later (which I won't be). I understand about the Technics turntables. We use them at the radio station I use them twice a week and have for 20 years. I don;t need a turntable that good at home and to be purchased used where it may need servicing or whatever else.

I'm okay with it ... I am sure this will more than do the job compared to the cheap one I have used since the 80s. lol right?

Just please don't read this and shake your head "he still doesn't get it". I do.

I am just not of the type who has to have the best even if it means buying the best used. I would for a guitar because i play guitar, I would certainly buy a used Gibson instead of a new Epiphone. I understand what you are saying BUT for the purposes I am using this turntable and what I am upgrading from .... i am more than sure it will be fine.

This review was helpful in making my mind up on getting it. I am certain you will agree that it isn't plastic garbage. being already familiar with the Technics turntables i was very impressed with this model seen here. http://youtu.be/wgCJM3bCoJg
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby megatrends » 17 Jun 2012 07:51

Bob in STL wrote:Megatrends,

I just checked Craigslist in your home town of Lewiston, ME.

Here is a Technics SL-1200mk2 for $350. http://pullman.craigslist.org/ele/3071415241.html

He already dropped the price once. I will bet you can get it for $300, after you inspect it and test it.

Craigslist is a good place to look because you don't have to ship and you can see and test the equipment before you buy it. Plus you are not competeing with the rest of the country (or world for that matter).

Good luck.

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Moscow Maine is about 100 miles away. Might have been worth the trip, already bought a turntable though.

These are what we use at the radio station, I am familiar with them. I used both of them earlier tonight actually when I did my metal show.

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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby cafe latte » 17 Jun 2012 09:53

The problem is the way the motor feedback loop works on the AT turntables. They regulate the speed in a way that results in a less accurate uneven speed than a cheap belt drive despite the fact they are quartz locked which takes some doing! The problem is the AT tables cog which results in a hard not smooth sound most annoying with piano music IMO as the piano notes wobble. When I mentioned about the speed issues I was talking about its central set point. The speed is slow when the slider is in the center and there is no internal adjustement to fix this so to get the correct speed the slider must be in the wrong position. You are reading reviews of self professed DJs and other dodgy online reviews and asking us for advice on a turntable forum many of us have been messing with turntables for many years and you believe the 20 year old on the online youtube review :? I am not trying to be rude, so appologies if that is how this comes across, but the AT turntable is not speed accurate or speed stable, the inbuilt phono stage is complete garbage, the platter is not heavy enough to damp, there is a lump of metal in the base doing nothing just there to make the unit heavy and well built, but serving no purpose. The arm is OK but the anti skate is not accurate, there is more but IMO this is enough to avoid the AT tables.
I hope your new table does what you want it to do, but I know you wont get what is even close to possible from yor vinyl.
I really truely mean no offense I am honestly trying to help.
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby megatrends » 17 Jun 2012 19:23

cafe latte wrote:The problem is the way the motor feedback loop works on the AT turntables. They regulate the speed in a way that results in a less accurate uneven speed than a cheap belt drive despite the fact they are quartz locked which takes some doing! The problem is the AT tables cog which results in a hard not smooth sound most annoying with piano music IMO as the piano notes wobble. When I mentioned about the speed issues I was talking about its central set point. The speed is slow when the slider is in the center and there is no internal adjustement to fix this so to get the correct speed the slider must be in the wrong position. You are reading reviews of self professed DJs and other dodgy online reviews and asking us for advice on a turntable forum many of us have been messing with turntables for many years and you believe the 20 year old on the online youtube review :? I am not trying to be rude, so appologies if that is how this comes across, but the AT turntable is not speed accurate or speed stable, the inbuilt phono stage is complete garbage, the platter is not heavy enough to damp, there is a lump of metal in the base doing nothing just there to make the unit heavy and well built, but serving no purpose. The arm is OK but the anti skate is not accurate, there is more but IMO this is enough to avoid the AT tables.
I hope your new table does what you want it to do, but I know you wont get what is even close to possible from yor vinyl.
I really truely mean no offense I am honestly trying to help.
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Thank you ... I understand.

I'll set it up when it comes and let you know what happens. I'll know what to look for since you mentioned it.

She wouldn't spend her money on me for a used TT and that was that. I've used 2 SL-1200MK2 at the radio station as pictured and know how good they are.

I'll use for a bit and come back with a review.

I have a lot of mellow music like classical I listen to as well as piano music and atmospheric music which has long quiet passages.

I didn't know about this info you professed when I bought it but honestly I still don't think it would have mattered and I would have gotten it anyway for what you do get for that price. Despite what you have said this is a good $400 turntable. Aluminum platter and the top deck is metal and not plastic and has quality buttons.

I would be upset if I paid $1000 and it did this stuff you mentioned, see what I mean? She wouldn't go for used and it is her money. *shrug*

She wants the warranty.
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby cafe latte » 18 Jun 2012 00:26

Ok, but please please please buy a cheap external phono preamp as the internal one is junk and even a cheap external one will be a huge upgrade.
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby megatrends » 18 Jun 2012 00:53

cafe latte wrote:Ok, but please please please buy a cheap external phono preamp as the internal one is junk and even a cheap external one will be a huge upgrade.
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it is going to run through my stereo receiver's PHONO input. My EQ is cut off in the picture, an 80s analog one I like.

I like my Philips CD deck as it is a CD recorder so you can record from tape source or vinyl.

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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby cafe latte » 18 Jun 2012 00:54

Phewww quite a relief!! :D
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby megatrends » 18 Jun 2012 00:57

cafe latte wrote:Phewww quite a relief!! :D
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I've had that receiver since 1988 or something. It has been good to me and sounds warm as it is analog. It even has two replaceable fuses in the circuit board for each channel. I fried a channel once and frowned, opened it up and saw it had fuses ... popped in a new fuse and away we went.

I think it would be difficult to kill it.
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby Bob in STL » 18 Jun 2012 01:36

megatrends wrote:
Bob in STL wrote:Megatrends,

I just checked Craigslist in your home town of Lewiston, ME.

Here is a Technics SL-1200mk2 for $350. http://pullman.craigslist.org/ele/3071415241.html

He already dropped the price once. I will bet you can get it for $300, after you inspect it and test it.

Craigslist is a good place to look because you don't have to ship and you can see and test the equipment before you buy it. Plus you are not competeing with the rest of the country (or world for that matter).

Good luck.

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Moscow Maine is about 100 miles away. Might have been worth the trip, already bought a turntable though.

These are what we use at the radio station, I am familiar with them. I used both of them earlier tonight actually when I did my metal show.

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Ok cool. Enjoy your new deck. :D

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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby majick47 » 18 Jun 2012 22:12

From what I'v read you and the girl friend made a very common decision/mistake to purchase a new turntable based on positive Amazon reviews and a warranty. Most if not all the Amazon reviews are by people that have limited/no experience with turntables. The turntable market has changed greatly since you purchased your Technics in the early 1980s and most new turntables (Project/Music Hall/Rega/Audio Technica/Denon etc) under $1,000 today are of questionable value/performance. Given the choice I would of jumped on the SL-1200Mk2 listed on CL in Lewiston Maine, it would of been far superior to the Audio Technica. I doubt you will find any Audio Technica turntables being used by radio stations for good reason, they don't meet the standards for a broadcast facility. On the other hand the SL-1200Mk2 was Technics top of the line consumer model but was good enough to be used professionally. The Audio Technica turntable is a cheap knock off of the SL-1200Mk2 that's made in China, the SL-1200Mk2 was made in Japan with excellent design, materials/components and quality control with parts still readly available if needed. My advice is return the Audio Technica for a refund and hope the CL SL-1200Mk2 is still available.
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby megatrends » 19 Jun 2012 00:16

majick47 wrote:From what I'v read you and the girl friend made a very common decision/mistake to purchase a new turntable based on positive Amazon reviews and a warranty. Most if not all the Amazon reviews are by people that have limited/no experience with turntables. The turntable market has changed greatly since you purchased your Technics in the early 1980s and most new turntables (Project/Music Hall/Rega/Audio Technica/Denon etc) under $1,000 today are of questionable value/performance. Given the choice I would of jumped on the SL-1200Mk2 listed on CL in Lewiston Maine, it would of been far superior to the Audio Technica. I doubt you will find any Audio Technica turntables being used by radio stations for good reason, they don't meet the standards for a broadcast facility. On the other hand the SL-1200Mk2 was Technics top of the line consumer model but was good enough to be used professionally. The Audio Technica turntable is a cheap knock off of the SL-1200Mk2 that's made in China, the SL-1200Mk2 was made in Japan with excellent design, materials/components and quality control with parts still readly available if needed. My advice is return the Audio Technica for a refund and hope the CL SL-1200Mk2 is still available.



That SL1200 wasn't in Lewiston, it was in Moscow Maine 100 miles away. My girlfriend didn't pick out the turntable, she gave me the money as a birthday gift (birthday July 5th, 44 years old yipppeeee) and I bought it. She insisted on a warranty however, how can I argue. She has a nice face lol.

I'm sure this turntable isn't horrible.

I read many online reviews in audio forums, audiophile websites that were not selling them, I didn't stay exclusive to Amazon product reviews. I'm almost 44 years old ... not a teenager. No offense to any teens lol.

I like the look, the fact the top table is metal, the platter is aluminum, has a lot of metal parts, the buttons are not cheap, the pop up light is removable, it plays 78rpms as well, it weighs a lot etc.

Good news, my Shure M97xe cartridge came in today which means the turntable will not be far behind.

Rest assured I am not taking offense at these comments. I understand, yes many of you know your business.

One thing that was important to me was I know this turntable will last a long time and will be reliable parts wise.

I will absolutely post a video when I have it hooked up and have used it a bit. I will offer comment about it. Like stated I am very used to the SL1200MK2 Technics at the radio station. I'll know where this one stands.
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby Bob in STL » 19 Jun 2012 04:02

Best of luck to you on your new turntable.

On the postive side, you picked a very nice cartridge for your price point. I have an M97xE on one off my turntables as well. It is decent, especially for the money. Two things I like about it are:

1. It has a dampening brush that I like a lot. Take note that if you put the brush down the tracking force will be 0.5 grams less than the force you set it at. At least that is what Shure says. Take time to read the documentation. I set the VTF to 1.75 grams (brush up) then put the brush down to track at 1.25 grams.

2. You can by a Shure replacement stylus at a price that is not too high, or you can upgrade to a Jico SAS stylus and really improve your system.

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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby megatrends » 19 Jun 2012 06:15

Bob in STL wrote:Best of luck to you on your new turntable.

On the postive side, you picked a very nice cartridge for your price point. I have an M97xE on one off my turntables as well. It is decent, especially for the money. Two things I like about it are:

1. It has a dampening brush that I like a lot. Take note that if you put the brush down the tracking force will be 0.5 grams less than the force you set it at. At least that is what Shure says. Take time to read the documentation. I set the VTF to 1.75 grams (brush up) then put the brush down to track at 1.25 grams.

2. You can by a Shure replacement stylus at a price that is not too high, or you can upgrade to a Jico SAS stylus and really improve your system.

Good luck, Bob


Wow thanks for the info ... I glanced over the documentation that came with it and didn't see that. I will be sure to remember that tracking force differential. I checked a couple of website links left in here and couldn't believe it when I saw a replacement stylus for $500 ... wow lmao. http://www.turntableneedles.com/search. ... &search=GO
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Re: Turntable Recommendations Welcomed

Postby cactuscowboy » 19 Jun 2012 22:10

megatrends,

Congrats on the new turntable, you've got a terrific girlfriend, and I think you made a good choice considering what's available new.

I'd have to disagree with previous comments characterizing the Audio Technica turntable as "junk." I have a good friend who has owned an Audio Technica ATPL-120 for a few years. I've listened to numerous Jazz and Classical LPs on his system. To my ears, it sounds fine. Perhaps not as refined as my Technics SL-1200 with many mods, but the Audio Technica is certainly capable of providing many hours of listening pleasure.
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