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New to the turntable world... help needed!

Postby rpvee » 26 May 2012 04:37

Hi!

I just found my dad's old turntable in our basement. When I plug it in, and switch it to "play", I can definitely hear some faint electronic buzzing coming from inside the unit (not hooked into speakers, and it's for sure coming from inside). However, the platter (I think that's what it's called) won't spin at all, even when the arm is put over it. The platter also is a bit "bouncy"... it can be pushed down to be closer to the main body. Not sure if this should be like that or not, but I tried unscrewing the screws on its corners and that only seemed to tighten it to the body more firmly. Still wouldn't work though.

Is it broken, or am I missing something?

EDIT: Also, it's a Precision Soundengn 4236... if that means anything.
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Re: New to the turntable world... help needed!

Postby Fishtails » 26 May 2012 09:00

Hi
Glad to see you are getting into vinyl.
What brand and model is the turntable?
If you had a picture that would help too.

Just guessing at the issues as im not sure what the turntable is.

Sounds like a broken belt
Noise might be the motor spinning without the belt.
Bounciness is normal

The screws should allow it to be bouncy. So dont make them tight.

Hope that helps for now!!
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Re: New to the turntable world... help needed!

Postby bubba45 » 26 May 2012 09:37

Can't find anything about that make or model of turntable. Could you put a picture up for us to look at?
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Re: New to the turntable world... help needed!

Postby MGuzzi » 26 May 2012 13:58

The record player: the whole thing.
The deck: those parts which turn the record.
The platter: the big round thing upon which you put a record.
The stylus: the tiny piece which engages with the record groove.
The cantilever: the small tube which carries the stylus.
The cartridge: the thing from which the cantilever protrudes.
The arm, or tonearm: the beam which carries the cartridge & swings across the record.
Decks are separated into two types. Both have an electric motor which drives the platter. The motor can be rigidly attached to the platter, in which case the deck is called a direct drive deck. Or the motor drives a belt which drives the platter, in which case the deck is called a belt drive deck. One type is not inherently better than the other; it depends on the quality of the individual design.
In both types the platter revolves on a bearing. If you cannot turn the platter by hand then it sounds as if the lubrication of the bearing has dried, sticking together the parts of the bearing. If you are mechanically adept then disassemble the deck & renew the bearing (recommended) or relubricate it. In either case, when you have the bearing out take it to a bearing shop & see if they have a replacement. If so get one. If not, ask them what lubricant they suggest. In the latter case, to renew the lubricant soak the bearing in degreaser & then in isopropyl alcohol (IPA) or acetone. Do not move the bearing parts relative to each other while the bearing is clean. Apply new lubricant. Reassemble the deck.
If you are not mechanically adept then get the help of a mechanical fitter.
This bearing is relatively large, depending upon the wight of the platter. The arm uses a number of much smaller bearings & I recommend the same procedure. Be warned: this is a delicate assembly & must be handled carefully. It might not be possible to disassemble it, in which case it will probably be scrap.
Regarding the belt, in the case of a belt drive deck, get a new one: www.gbaudio.co.uk/data/belts.htm
It sounds as if the manufacturer of your player is long gone, so you are on your own. Good luck.
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Re: New to the turntable world... help needed!

Postby MGuzzi » 26 May 2012 14:06

Further to my last reply:
The buzzing noise you hear is almost certainly caused by the motor trying to turn the platter & failing, which would be the case if the bearing was seized. Do not operate the motor under this condition or it it will overheat & damage itself, probably beyond repair.
A general hint: whenever I encounter a stylus of which I do not know the history, I get a new one.
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Re: New to the turntable world... help needed!

Postby MGuzzi » 26 May 2012 14:18

I've just thought of something else. The deck & the arm should be rigidly connected together. This subassembly sits on springs, which altogether are called the suspension. It's purpose is to stop the subassembly following any mechanical disturbance of the record player, be it a strong jolt or small vibrations. The screws which you adjusted lock the suspension in one position. If you gently carry the player from, say, a table to a shelf, there will be no need to lock the suspension. But if you send it through the post then lock the suspension to prevent the subassembly banging itself to pieces.
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