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Postby JoeE SP9 » 11 Feb 2010 22:11

Disliking Stereophile or any magazine because they don't adhere to your own personal agenda is just as bad as what you claim Stereophile does. What is it with people getting offended because their choice doesn't get chosen? I've been subscribing to Stereophile since the early 80's. I don't see or read any of the biases you keep claiming are there. You don't like Linn's, so what. I don't either. However, I don't use my dislike as an opportunity to berate a magazine for liking something I don't.
You guys are beginning to sound like Pioneer HPM-100 lovers/owners. They take up arms when their beloved HPM's are described in any way but as the best thing since sliced bread.

Grow up. There is room for everybody and their opinion in this hobby.

For the record, I wouldn't take a cutting lathe or a pair of HPM-100's even were they given to me. Well, I might because some wing nut would want them for a price.
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Postby analogous » 11 Feb 2010 23:00

JoeE SP9 wrote:Disliking Stereophile or any magazine because they don't adhere to your own personal agenda is just as bad as what you claim Stereophile does. What is it with people getting offended because their choice doesn't get chosen? I've been subscribing to Stereophile since the early 80's. I don't see or read any of the biases you keep claiming are there. You don't like Linn's, so what. I don't either. However, I don't use my dislike as an opportunity to berate a magazine for liking something I don't.


Don't put words in my mouth. Have you no manners?

It is not about x vs. y. This is about saving the Neumann cutters. There were only around 30 Neumann VMS 82s made. They are rare today. If one turned up for sale it might bring $100,000. But there was a time they could be picked up for next to nothing.

Lots of them could have been saved if Stereophile had only mentioned them. But Stereophile could not even do that. It did not care. Total indifference.

Evey time Stereophile could have made a positive contribution, it chose not to. 50 years of being on the side of wrong.

JoeE SP9 wrote:You guys are beginning to sound like Pioneer HPM-100 lovers/owners. They take up arms when their beloved HPM's are described in any way but as the best thing since sliced bread.

Grow up. There is room for everybody and their opinion in this hobby.

For the record, I wouldn't take a cutting lathe or a pair of HPM-100's even were they given to me. Well, I might because some wing nut would want them for a price.


Who do you think you are telling me to grow up?

No, there is no room for Stereophile. Their brand of consumerism does not benefit the hobby.

Nobody cares if you want a Neumann cutter or not. Most people who saw Avatar have no interest in pre-war Hollywood props.

This is about those who care. And those who do not. If you or somebody else do not care really does not matter. But it does matter when a major magazine, like Stereophile, does not care. It is shameful and sad at the same time.
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Postby flavio81 » 11 Feb 2010 23:22

JoeE SP9 wrote: I've been subscribing to Stereophile since the early 80's.

That can be labeled as 'biased opinion' too, so why is your opinion more valid than ours?

JoeE SP9 wrote:
Grow up. There is room for everybody and their opinion in this hobby.

We are stating our opinion too. If you have problems with us stating our opinion, then we can follow your above advice and tell you to "grow up".

And for Stereophile, i would not mention all the things that are wrong with it since they've been mentioned by me & many others in several threads across the forum.
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Postby Ldg » 12 Feb 2010 04:14

JoeE SP9 wrote:For the record, I wouldn't take a cutting lathe.........even were they given to me.
Dibs ! In the unlikely event, send it my way :wink:
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Postby Alec124c41 » 12 Feb 2010 06:06

Gee, and I bought a pair of Pioneer HPM-100s! At a yard sale, true, for $5, and essentially rebuilt them for nothing. They don't sound bad at all now, and make excellent supports for a tabletop in my workroom.
They actually are very well built, but IIRC a bit more fiberglass was needed to clean up the bottom end.
And the best turntable is the one I'm listening to.

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Postby Damien Taylor » 12 Feb 2010 09:36

I also offer shelter for homeless lathes.
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Postby Dadimo » 12 Feb 2010 13:31

Can anybody identify this turntable? I think this pic was posted a while back

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Postby stuartypoorty » 12 Feb 2010 17:26

Dadimo wrote:Can anybody identify this turntable? I think this pic was posted a while back

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A Basis Work Of Art turntable.

Lots more here; http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=4569
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Postby JoeE SP9 » 12 Feb 2010 21:30

When is any magazine supposed to be a savior of any piece of gear just because someone is fond of it? If there were any publications protesting the loss of specific lathes I would have supposed it would be those publications that deal with "pro" gear and recording/mastering tools.

Stereophile is aimed at people who listen to music not those who make it.

I put no words in anyone's mouth. I merely questioned berating a publication for not following someones specific list of favorite gear.

Stereophile is not the same magazine it was when JGH started it. Neither is this hobby or anything else.

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Postby analogous » 13 Feb 2010 11:55

JoeE SP9 wrote:When is any magazine supposed to be a savior of any piece of gear just because someone is fond of it? If there were any publications protesting the loss of specific lathes I would have supposed it would be those publications that deal with "pro" gear and recording/mastering tools.


The point is the exact opposite. It is not what a magazine is supposed to do, but what it chooses to do.

That Stereophile does not give a damn about history, recording and vinyl authoring equipment is not an excuse. Nor does it have a responsible to do those things.

Stereophile may not care if there's no Neumann lathe left on the planet. I would insist that they should. But that is also irrelevant. And I'm not trying to make Stereophile care.

I cannot imagine a worse magazine than Stereophile. It is written by narcissistic sycophants for narcissistic sycophants.

JoeE SP9 wrote:Stereophile is aimed at people who listen to music not those who make it.

I put no words in anyone's mouth. I merely questioned berating a publication for not following someones specific list of favorite gear.

Stereophile is not the same magazine it was when JGH started it. Neither is this hobby or anything else.


I know what Stereophile is. No, it has not changed one bit in 50 years. It always was indifferent to anything but its narrow interests.

I know what Stereophile is. I accept that. I just don't like it. And Stereophile hurts us all. It is the enemy.
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Postby starterwiz » 13 Feb 2010 21:53

This Stereophile crap has messed up another thread.

IT'S OFF TOPIC.


True That!

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I got a stick with a nail in it one Christmas as a kid, and I've never been the same since. That and my dunce cap as an amplifier...
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Re: The BEST turntable ever built

Postby tigiblet344 » 27 Apr 2012 16:21

Just want to put my oar in here, for value, style, total engineering brilliance, and one that sounds totally superb. Michell GYRO se.
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Re: The BEST turntable ever built

Postby Richard_P » 28 Apr 2012 20:44

I can agree with that. Michell Gyro SE with an SME arm.
An Orbe is better sounding, but the Gyro looks better.
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Re: The BEST turntable ever built

Postby loki65 » 29 Apr 2012 01:59

Is it the best ever built, i don't know. I've not auditioned that many.
But My TT once analog, sme M2, ortofon cadenza black with a rega ios phono.
Sounds fantastic.


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