qanh wrote: gillsev wrote:
user510 wrote:could anyone give me more information about this one- TD 295 mk4 ?
Is this true of that this is Project - Thorens product ? so I cannot find data of tonearm TP41 instead of TP40 in older version 295, eg mk2, mk3.
The TD 295 replaced the Thorens TD 290, which was the first Thorens with a Pro-Ject tonearm and on a solid plinth instead of a suspension chassi. The suspended chassi was simply too expensive to produce, and Thorens in Germany was filed for bankruptcy in 2000 but the Thorens Export company based in Switzerland (owner of the patents and designs) survived and found a new investor.
The tone-arm in the TD 295 is a version of the the Pro-Ject 9 with a "fishy thingie" anti-skating. This tone-arm is also used on higher end Pro-Jects as well as several Music Hall turntables (like the Music Hall MMF 5.1, which sells for a similar price as the Thorens). You can find information about this tone arm at the http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?list=tonearms&cat=tonearms&lang=en
Note this is not the 9cc Evolution but the standard version. To my knowledge the only difference between the Mk III tonearm and the Mk IV is the material, the Mk III having a metal tube and the MK IV uses the carbon fibre tube.
The plattern and the dust cover is also sourced from Pro-Ject. What makes the Thorens stand out is that it has built in electronic speed control with a switch on the top. The competition from Music Hall and Pro-Ject are all manual, where you change speeds by moving the belt on the drive pulley after you have lifted the plattern. The Thorens also features an opto-electronic auto-shutoff mechanism, so it is semi-automatic. The Music Hall 5.1 and the Pro-Ject Xpression are fully manual.
This convenience unfortunately raises the price for the product.
The Music Hall 5.1 with it's double plinth is actually more advanced and sounds better if fitted with the same cartridge, but then it is much more fiddly to use. Thorens is by no means bad sounding, it has a pleasant and solid sound and well worth the money it sells for in Europe - especially if you want some convenience. It is clearly better than the all-automatic turntables at lower price points or even some semi automatics one. Comparing with a Dual 505 this is an upgrade.
Even if some parts are sourced from Pro-Ject, does this make this Thorens a Pro-Ject? It is common for many turntable makers of today to source components from other makers - Pro-Ject tonearms is commonly found on many turntables, and so are Rega tonearms without the turntables are called Pro-Ject or Rega turntables. SME can also be found on turntables without being a SME turntable.
Thorens also fits Rega tone arms on some of their products.
The TD 295 is a Thorens design with some Pro-Ject sourced components. It is not identical to a Pro-Ject model, and has less in common with Pro-Ject than, for example, Music Hall which uses more components from Pro-Ject and is also made by Pro-Ject. (only the plinth design differs between Music Hall and Pro-Jects own models). Thorens also uses their own plinth design, and the motor has Thorens designed/specified bearings. The actual motor is purchased from Pro-Ject. The TD 295 takes Thorens standard belt, also used on many other Thorens turntables.
Thorens do have one specially developed tone arm themselves and it's used on the new TD 309 turntable, EISA awards winner two years in a row. The TD 309 is a genuine Thorens and is everything Thorens, everything is specially designed for Thorens.
However, Thorens no longer owns a factory. They don't make their own turntables. Not since 2000, those operations was filed for bankruptcy. So Thorens relies on the manufacturing talent of others. Their turntables are made in Germany, the lower end models are made in the same factory that still makes the Dual turntables. The higher end models has various manufacturers, I am unsure who exactly makes them.
I am also unsure if the TD 295 is made by Pro-Ject in the Czeh republic, or if it's made in Germany.