Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by bernard1 » 02 Jul 2019 12:11

I have seen the SL-1500C in a store. It looks all plastic made, I think I will not spend 1000€ in that table. Rather look for a second hand used SL-something.

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by BMRR » 02 Jul 2019 19:22

bernard1 wrote:
02 Jul 2019 12:11
I have seen the SL-1500C in a store. It looks all plastic made...
It may look that way, but it's not all plastic. The chassis, platter, and tonearm are all made of metal.

From Technics' web site:

"The aluminium die-cast chassis is rigidly integrated with a special material consisting of ABS mixed with glass fibre to achieve a two-layer construction. The combination of this special high-rigidity material and a metal chassis raised the rigidity and vibration-damping performance to higher levels, resulting in a robust cabinet for beautiful sound reproduction."

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by goatbreath » 16 Jul 2019 06:15

I am reading this with great interest,I own a Technics SL110 with SME arm..
There is no room to put a Q up lifter. :(
I own a Dual 1226,the fact it lifts up at the end of the record is a Godsend..
I've had a few heart attacks and suffer from high blood pressure..
Getting up too fast causes some pretty nasty dizziness..
I end up staggering towards the turntable to lift the tonearm at times..
If my room was large enough to arrange things different,I would,but it's not..
The idea of Autolift is great.. :) ,

I was a suspended Subchassis Lover until I got my SL110..
LP12,Michell,Logic and Thorens,all had and have their Merits..
3 are also fitable with Q ups,which I have a love hate relationship with...
Locating it,trying to lock it in place with clear tape,me getting dizzy as I bend over from blood pressure..lol.
It can get challenging at times..
All originally had non detachable headshell tonearms..
I can clearly hear the Direct Drive is better on Piano and long notes though,
belt drive is great 98% of the time by the way..
Direct is just good at that particular thing..
I like the sound of my SL110 a lot though..
As I do other Decks I own that are just different.. :D

The Sl1500 C would mean changeable headshells,also I enjoy doing cartridge swaps..
Or using a conical for old Monos etc..Or just that change of cartridge creating a new erm! aural view of the music..

I love the Dual sound,it is charming..It gets the job done well and well there is a nice euphonic coloration.. :D
To me that just means a different flavour of listening,some stuff sounds great on the Dual..
A lot of stuff does..The tonearm when tracking over 2 grams sails everything on the Hifi news test disc,
apart from the dreaded level 4 test..So it must be doing something right..
Under 2 grams,I think it was more of a compliance mismatch..
I use an extra mat to get the tonearm parallel which also helps to deal with any rumble..
A thick Cork/Rubber one..
Rumble is almost negligible just now but as time goes on,parts will get harder to get..
Make no mistake,the Dual is a charmer,the Technics SL110 is more accurate though.. :D

I just wonder how much lesser the build quality/build materials of the SL1500c are than the SL1200GR..
I don't need the DJ features of the SL1200GR..
I know the platter is apparently 800 grams less on the SL1500c..

Also is the SL1200GR made in Japan and the SL1500C made in Malaysia..

If the SL1500C is made to last like my SL110 was ad many of the later SL1200 models seem to have been..

The SL1500 could be the answer to many problems and requirements..
Headshell,Lifter,Technics Direct Drive..

The built in Malaysia bit worries me a bit..
I guess I have became biased by how good some Japanese guitars are compared to built other places in the Far East..
You have to think before you part with your money though...
It is mainly sound quality Gap between the SL1200GR and 1500C,that lifter is important to me though..

I am also asking myself how much of this is turntable addiction... :lol: :lol:
It means flogging some stuff,but it also seems in some ways practical.. :D

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by Tonybro » 16 Jul 2019 07:24

If you are serious about purchasing, have a chat with your local Richer Sounds as they sell them and will probably set them up for you. You can then listen but also compare build quality if you are concerned.

Me, I wouldn't be bothered by the Malaysia production as Technics have strong quality control and will be on top of production.

The lifter wouldn't be on my list of priorities as I don't have issues with my styli in run out grooves for 10 minutes or so.

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by BMRR » 16 Jul 2019 15:31

For what it's worth, Technics' parent company Panasonic has been building many of their other products in Malaysia for many years, such as their TV sets, Blu-Ray players, DVD players, microwave ovens, etc. I own several of those items and they're still going strong. My Panasonic microwave oven made in Malaysia is 15 years old and refuses to die! And there are a lot more things that can potentially break inside a microwave than inside a turntable.

I think the 1500C will be great and I'm not worried about the materials either. They're still using solid aluminum for the top deck just like they always did, and the chassis material they're using with the 1500C seems like it's probably similar to the "TNRC" they used for decades with great success.

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by goatbreath » 17 Jul 2019 21:02

:D You only live once..I am currently listening to a Technics SL1500 C,
with supplied Ortofon 2M cartridge.. :D

The lift takes about 10 record rotations before it works,it could be a bit smoother....
So far not Bad,not bad at all..

Using supplied thin Phono cable to a separate phono stage,then my amplifier just now..
I plan to use the inbuilt phono stage to a headphone amp later..

I may try it with a more substantial piece of low capacitance cable later..
Not sure if it will make a difference,I'm not sure of the capacitance of the supplied cable..

The platter is a pretty healthy weight too...

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by Tonybro » 17 Jul 2019 22:29

Well done! 😀

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by rlwings » 17 Jul 2019 23:15

goatbreath wrote:
17 Jul 2019 21:02
:D You only live once..I am currently listening to a Technics SL1500 C,
with supplied Ortofon 2M cartridge.. :D

The lift takes about 10 record rotations before it works,it could be a bit smoother....
So far not Bad,not bad at all..

Using supplied thin Phono cable to a separate phono stage,then my amplifier just now..
I plan to use the inbuilt phono stage to a headphone amp later..

I may try it with a more substantial piece of low capacitance cable later..
Not sure if it will make a difference,I'm not sure of the capacitance of the supplied cable..

The platter is a pretty healthy weight too...
Congrats on your new 1500C. Just got a GR myself...Absolutely love this newer lineup from Technics. :)

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by goatbreath » 17 Jul 2019 23:55

Not happy with the Ortofon 2M Red Cartridge at 1.88 grams it was losing it's grip and mistracking..,
I first put on an Audio Technica AT91,it tracked much better believe it or not..
Sounded better too.
I've now got a Nagaoka MP110 on there,but listening through headphones..
I'm looking forwards to hearing it through speakers..
I can hear the bottom end has tightened up.
The only thing I don't like is the cueing lever can tend to drop by itself sometimes..
The arm won't stay fully lifted by itself..

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by rlwings » 18 Jul 2019 00:11

goatbreath wrote:
17 Jul 2019 23:55
Not happy with the Ortofon 2M Red Cartridge at 1.88 grams it was losing it's grip and mistracking..,
I first put on an Audio Technica AT91,it tracked much better believe it or not..
Sounded better too.
I've now got a Nagaoka MP110 on there,but listening through headphones..
I'm looking forwards to hearing it through speakers..
I can hear the bottom end has tightened up.
The only thing I don't like is the cueing lever can tend to drop by itself sometimes..
The arm won't stay fully lifted by itself..
Ya, the Nagaoka line definitely has better bass (among other things) over the Ortofon. I started with the MP-110, and now have the MP-200. OMG! You gotta try one someday. :)

And too bad about your cueing system not staying in the up position. I've read about this issue before somewhere in the forums. Not sure why Technics would allow this flaw out the door. Seems like such an easy thing to get right... I wonder if you can adjust the cueing height screw up or down to fix the issue somehow?

Anyway, something about this new cueing system. Problematic on the 1500C, and feels disproportionately cheap compared to the rest of the build quality. (My GR included).

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by goatbreath » 18 Jul 2019 00:31

The cueing system includes the auto lift too..It locks in the up position..
So it is covering two tasks,maybe the reason for the problem.. :)

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by rlwings » 18 Jul 2019 01:33

goatbreath wrote:
18 Jul 2019 00:31
The cueing system includes the auto lift too..It locks in the up position..
So it is covering two tasks,maybe the reason for the problem.. :)
Good point. Didn't think of that. Yes, probably related to that. It's a shame, such a nice TT.

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by BMRR » 18 Jul 2019 14:54

The problem should be covered under warranty.

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Re: Technics SL-1500C - Coming soon...

Post by goatbreath » 19 Jul 2019 10:32

OK...Long Post..

I'm listening to the 1500C with a Denon DL110 in a Sumiko HS12 headshell..
It makes very nice music together..It does everything very cleanly too..

I know sometimes when you get a new bit of gear you can get really enthusiastic and over excited..
Then in time they fit into the scheme of things with your other gear..
Experience says I will in time find a quirk or flaw and accept it as what it is,
everything has it's limitations and strong/weak points..
Right now I am Excited and Enthusiastic..Hahahaha!!

I knew Technics Motor Units were good..
I own a SL110 with a SME 3009 S2 Improved detachable arm..
Right now I am really impressed by the Technics arm is the thing..
I read somewhere further up the range they have engineered any quirks out of it..
I don't know if that continues down to the 1500 C arm..
It tracks cartridges cleanly on level 3 on the Hifi News disc that the SME 3009 S2 improved detachable can not..
The Denon being one of them..
It betters the Rega RB 250 here too..The mass of the Rega is fixed though,so more limited in cartridge choice..
I would say so far it tracks better than the Rega though and more information is coming through..
The Rega has a slightly darker presentation..

It is also better with high compliance cartridges with the ADC headshell,
or the SME copy style headshell than the SME itself..
I this I mean the vividness of the sound..The SME can sound a bit foggy..
I've found Blu tack and a coin or two on the back of the counterweight,
can get the mass nearer the pivot and pull things into focus sound wise..
I'm still a bit shocked by this as the Technics still has higher effective mass than the SME 3009 S2 detachable..
This is better with the different SME counterweights a coin here and there etc..

The actual music it makes too..
Pity it comes with the Ortofon 2M Red..
Some peoples opinion of it may be tainted..

I have my other cartridges aligned to 49 MM in their headshells..
This lines up with my HIFI news protractor..
As I have said,the cartridges work great like this..
So i will try the Ortofon 2M Red this way soon,just in case I get a bit of improvement..

So far I have tried...

Ortofon 2M Red
Ortofon 510 MK2 6.5 grams with wires headshell..
Shure M75 B 9.2 gram headshell,non tie wire Jico stylus.
Shure M75 G ADC headshell.non tie wire Jico stylus.
Audio Technica AT 91
Nagaoka MP110
Shure M97xe.. Meh !. I mught try in a lightweight headshell with the brush up later..

I still have to check..

Audio Technica AT 95E. with 4x7 stylus.
Audio Technica AT VM 95 ML
And Finally Shure M75 ED non tie wire Jico styli.
I am really excited about this one as the M75 G sounded sublime..



Right,now my statement.. :)


I 've have been at this hobby actually into turntables for around 30 years now..

OK this isn't about boasting,this is to show that I am not some teenage Fanboy with his first turntable..
I am a 51 year old Teenager.. :)


I own and use..Yes I have a problem with Turntable obsession. :)

In no prticular order or ranking..

Linn Sondek LP 12 with Rega Re Stubbed professionally incognito wired Rega RB250

Technics SL110 with SME 3009 S2 improved Detachable.

Thorens TD 160 MK 2 B with S2 SME 3009 improved detachable.

Logic DM101 electronic with Hadcock GH 220 ss.

Michell Mycro with Michell damping compound under the subchassis and Rega RB250 arm..

The Mycro is a very Special turntable by the way that gets overlooked because it was below the Gyrodek..
It is the most neutral turntable I have ever owned,so tonal colours really sound real..
It has lots of air,but still a good firm bass..
On a Townshed Seismic Sink it sounds sublime..
I got my Siesmik Sink half price..

It genuinely is an inner tube and some wood inside..
It works though..

I have my Dual 1226 which I love,I know it is coloured etc,but it still sounds very nice..

Also in non use I have an Ariston RD11 Superieur,an Ariston RD110 SL and a Systemdek IIX teardrop armboard..
These are all motor units with no arms on..Oh I have a Rega Planar 2 with no arm on too..
All of these have of course been used and tested with arms..

I also have an Audio Origami rewired Syrinx PU 3 with PU 7 bearings...

I have a Rega RB202 spare too..lol

I have obviously owned a load of other stuff at one point..

The tonearm on the SL1500 C competes with all of the above,they all have their strengths and weaknesses..

The Hadcock believe it or not is the best tracker and best at dynamics,but needs to be mounted with a cartridge with some Bass end going on..Images are fixed in place so firmly..
people who probably haven't heard the GH220 ss say it is inferior to the GH229 Unipivot..
Or they didn't know how to set it up..
The Syrinx PU3 is great,but has it's quirks,it likes a heavy cartridge..
Sorry the Syrinx is a bit more dynamic than the Hadcock..
The GH220ss has qualities on a lighter on it's feet Syrinx,but with Fairy dust sprinkled on it..
Anything that chimes is sublime..I find the Hadcock really special..
Look elsewhere for build quality and professional finish though..

I kind of knew Old George,he was a really lovely Man,.
He phoned me up at 5 in the morning once as I was the tester,unbeknowns to me for a new form of armtube damping..He was so excited about it..He had probably been up all night tweaking something.
There was still a childlike wonder about the Man..
This sprang from me sending him back the arm or tubes to rewire periodically..
The soldering was fragile and it kind of dried up..He wasn't a great solderer.. .
I have got better at soldering since then..
The GH220 is still too difficult for me though..
Dom the guy at North West Analogue done the wiring for me and it has survived and it works beautifully..
Dom knew George Hadcock too and had a funny story about a experimental home brew Garrard 301 plinth at his house..I just had home conversations with him..
When I found out he had passed I was really upset,
I also found out he had been an aircraft designer for Handley Page..

Anyway..lol

The Rega,people will know what it sounds and behaves like..Same with the SME..

Us Scots are famous for not parting with money,which is a load of old tosh,but I am certainly careful with money..
To me the asking price or the Technics SL1500 C is very fair indeed,
especially compared to it's contemporaries you can purchase new..
It is a substantial weighty good piece of engineering..

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