Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by lenjack » 10 Nov 2019 19:56

Dealer probably wont want the hassle, and wont back you up. He has nothing to gain. I don't think any new table over $200 should evidence any visible platter wobble.

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by mindarelus » 01 Dec 2019 17:23

This is totally unacceptable. I just checked my old turntables 1210MK2, two of them - no wobble at all. But probably they are made in the 80s, when the quality control was absolutely perfect. Hopefully you'll get it replaced with a unit, that doesn't have this problem. That kind of thing goes into the sound, in the low frequencies, even if you can't hear it. You can save in WAV if you have a decent sound card, and expect the spectrogram to check how it could affect the sound.

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by lenjack » 01 Dec 2019 18:54

It' got to cause wow.

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by Shadowman82 » 01 Dec 2019 23:06

Not to play devils advocate but if it only affects frequencies we can't hear then it wouldn't really matter from a practical stand point . But I get it , it's annoying to look at and not acceptable in a brand new turntable at this price point .

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by lenjack » 01 Dec 2019 23:18

Infrasonic wow will rob amplifier power, and increase amp distortion, as well.

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by andybeau » 02 Dec 2019 08:53

I thought this was what warranties were for?

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by lenjack » 02 Dec 2019 14:34

Well, Technics is a new startup...oh wait...

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by cafe latte » 02 Dec 2019 23:04

How common is this? I am just about to order my G.
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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by lenjack » 02 Dec 2019 23:39

Very uncommon, I understand, but it shouldn't happen at all, and I've heard that dealers, and Technics, are telling customers, that it's within acceptable limits, which, of course, it's not.

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by cafe latte » 02 Dec 2019 23:53

lenjack wrote:
02 Dec 2019 23:39
Very uncommon, I understand, but it shouldn't happen at all, and I've heard that dealers, and Technics, are telling customers, that it's within acceptable limits, which, of course, it's not.
I am getting the G and if I spend 6k that amount of wobble would not be acceptable at all.
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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by Shadowman82 » 03 Dec 2019 00:33

yeah my old SL-1200 has it but I bought it used , one of the reasons I would buy a new one if I had the cash was to not have that wobble anymore . And here I thought Technics does some pretty serious quality inspections on the GR and G models before they ship them out , at least that's what they claim .

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by timbo21 » 24 Jan 2020 18:08

scho2684 wrote:
23 Oct 2019 15:45
Some times the strobe part is not completely wobble free, but that is only a visual aspect (which should not be too visible though)
The platter it self should be completely wobble free... at any price point that is...
Manufacture a platter and spindle within tolerances of 0.05mm is no rocket science, its one of the easy processes...
Yes, I was careful to check it was the actual surface. Technics came and measured mine, and the deviance was 0.22mm. I mean, they marketed the G as such a precision turntable and then to tell me that 0.22mm is 'within tolerance'. They wouldn't actually say what their tolerance is. They should publish it so the customer is fully aware.

I took advice from a couple of guys who had been selling turntables since the 80's. They said if it's visible, then it's wrong. I always thought a flat platter was basic. Technics think otherwise.

Everything had to be referred back to Japan. Nothing can be decided locally. You would think they could have tried another platter, but no. But I wonder if the consequences of admitting fault are too hard for them, perhaps more so in their culture.

I now have a beautiful Rega RP10. I put the same cartridge and alignment and it sounds a fair bit better than the Technics G. More natural midrange and better definition and texture too. There was just a slight upper mid hash in the midrange with the G. The wow & flutter is better on the RP10 too (as measured with RPM phone app).

Jeez, I made my complaint at the end of March 2019, and I just received my refund a few days ago from the retailer. The retailer said he's had problems with every bit of Technics gear he has sold. He says they are a nightmare to deal with. The rep never replying, referring back to Japan, etc.

My advice is if you're buying a Technics deck, check and double check to make sure you're happy. If you're within your 14 days just reject the deck. It becomes a whole lot harder afterwards....

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by lenjack » 24 Jan 2020 19:33

Agree that .22mm is miniscule, but a table with that price tag should do better than that, from a manufacturer like Technics. Might be acceptable from a lesser maker, at a much lower price. I see no wobble at all on my 39 year old SL-D3.

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Re: Platter Wobble on Brand New SL-1200GR

Post by Voxy » 29 Jan 2020 16:06

s**t, I just ordered a GR from UK and I live in Singapore... finger crossed.

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